Archive for Round 04: GM Carlsen, Magnus - GM Nakamura, Hikaru from London Chess Classic 2009

Chat

anandrulez: hi
anandrulez: goooooo naka
merlin_zt: yes!!go naka towards your destruction!!
merlin_zt: :D
greenknight: i assume carlsen wants revenge for that blitz tournament
play4fun55: should be a great game: a) Naka will sure want a win after 3 draws b) Carlsen will be eager to win after his errors in round 3 and c) to revenge the blitz defeat
bakalao: naka is dangerous first to him selv and så for the others
merlin_zt: i predict naka to resign before move 35
snoopy: naka will sac his bish up
greenknight: guessing this one will be another positional squeeze attempt
snoopy: yes carlpovian
merlin_zt: i don't know why but i find hard to understand these positional and tactical trersms
isolani: will Magnus look for revenge against Nakamura?
snoopy: what is trersms
merlin_zt: terms
snoopy: Kasparov said Carlsens style is akin to karpov
snoopy: Karpov is by many accounts second greatest player ever positional
merlin_zt: especially in carlsen's play positional is a little strange word to use
snoopy: closed games
snoopy: maneuvering subtlety
magnus3carlsen: the game haven't started?
merlin_zt: in 9 min
DrZaius: hi all
snoopy: Carlsen is super solid
magnus3carlsen: ok..i need to move now...to beat naka...
merlin_zt: i think it's all about making your pieces active...
merlin_zt: magnus in most of the cases find the right moves
merlin_zt: positional or not
snoopy: it is not a put down
snoopy: he plays to win with superior moves
snoopy: but prefers substance to style
anandrulez: mag boy
anandrulez: the best player in the wortoday without any doubts , magnus
sani: suspect carlsen aims to vindicate his below par performance in the last round against naka - not good for naka
play4fun55: At the moment I think the top 5 in the ranking are rather even. Carlsen has the potentialto become the domonating player, but hi is not ALL there - yet
sani: showed that last round - got some way to go on time management also...
snoopy: hmm that ending at move forty was difficult to hold for a win
sani: by all means - credits to howell
play4fun55: it was his 52nd move that was the real error.
snoopy: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-training/custom-crafty-position.php?f=6r1%2F2R3p1%2F2R1p3%2Fp3P2k%2F1p3n2%2F5P2%2FP6P%2F5K2&t=Howell-Carlsen+2009%2C+colours+reversed+40...%3F
sani: better men would have resigned i think
anandrulez: one interesting fact abt carlsen is he has never failed to take revenge
snoopy: try being in carlsens shoes
anandrulez: like at blitz champs , he never lost a mini match
snoopy: Kramnik he lost at amber and lost at Tal
Zendo: somehow today's game gives more excitement no?
snoopy: to kramnik
anandrulez: He didnt lose at Tal
anandrulez: he lost amber dortmund but took revenge in this tourney
snoopy: i mean overall
merlin_zt: lol!in icc they r making dreams that naka is going to win this game!hahahah
anandrulez: lol loyal iccers
play4fun55: enything CAN happen, everybody might have a bad day at the office
zugzwang: e4 e5 Qh5
snoopy: I like naka but his opening and endgame play have been disappointing
snoopy: this tourny
bakalao: Carlsen and Aronian is the future in chess---- Not Anand- Kramnik
shahost: phew just in time
merlin_zt: the commentators saying stuff like these??.unbelievable...
merlin_zt: ridicoulus
snoopy: lol at zug
tewodrosyif: Nigel is really behind, i thought he would have put up a good fight in the tournament, but well..
sani: go son of carl
Theokratix: Of course Naka can - in theory - win this. Magnus proved in the last game vs Howell that he has his psycological slips now and then
snoopy: oh Naka is very dangerous
merlin_zt: not in caslssical games
merlin_zt: heheh
AmacaballoFat: Recently, Nakamura defeated Carlsen in World Blitz tournament
DiBee: looking forward to this game
Zeblakob80: This ends the story that Carlsen is the god of chess: he overlooked a simple combination that wins a knight in 4 moves in his last game. A human being is a human being.
merlin_zt: gads makes mistakes
sani: lets see in 2 more years
merlin_zt: gods
sani: what kind of opponent he is then
snoopy: fischer blundered too
snoopy: but I agree with zeblak
gabrielconroy: he didn't beat him in the World Blitz - Carlsen won that
powersmurf: there are no gods
Theokratix: e4!
gabrielconroy: he beat him in the blitz final of the Norway Open
gabrielconroy: woohoo!
DiBee: its starting
snoopy: gabriel naka wasn't involved in world blitz
gabrielconroy: surely sicilian from naka
gabrielconroy: exactly, someone else just said that naka beat carlsen in the world blitz
kmind0: c5, Qh5?
JJuett: Hello chess fans. I'm expecting an incredible game today from Carlsen and Nakamura. Carlsen will be no doubt wanting to get some revenge for the Norway blitz.
powersmurf: rybka says 1...e5
merlin_zt: lol
shahost: wow
snoopy: e4 awesome carlsen is gona open it up
snoopy: oh d4
snoopy: my browser glitched
DiBee: what the
Solartiger: someone else made 1rst move
gabrielconroy: crap
rcfchess: it's the wtf opening
gabrielconroy: now i'm disappointed
DiBee: thats funny
Zeblakob80: It is amusing that most of the American players are not american: Nakamuri, Onushuk, Kamsky, Seirawan, .....
BlunderSuck: REEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNGEEEEEEEEEEEE
DiBee: zeblak thats oh so true!!!
gabrielconroy: e4
BlunderSuck: 1...e5 good one powersmurf
snoopy: well as american myself we don't play it
snoopy: chess i mean
Sti: Zeb, - lol, that goes for all Americans, - they aren't really Americans lol.
siamesedream: 1/2 here, Kramnik will win and be sole leader
DiBee: chess is not very popular in US of A
BlunderSuck: How many moves before chat closed? Any bet?
Zeblakob80: Sti: LOl , very nice observation.
Theokratix: Repeating so far their game in 2005 in Biel
gabrielconroy: hopefully not at all
powersmurf: man that was like opening a hard present and find ...socks. d4 :'(
gabrielconroy: thanks theokratix
snoopy: lol at powersmurf
TheBB: most american players are in fact american
BlunderSuck: Ryb is already optimistic
TheBB: just not in the top
gabrielconroy: so that was a draw
gabrielconroy: the game in biel
Theokratix: yes
gabrielconroy: carlsen must have found an improvement since
DiBee: most top american players are naturalized americans
Theokratix: Nh4 is deviation from that game
Zeblakob80: Alekhine was naturalized french but after becoming World champion.
JJuett: 6.Nh4!?, that's a strange and fairly uncommon move. More usual would be 6.e3, or the most ambitious 6.Ne5 followed up by f3 and e4 if allowed.
kfour: Theay are all human...except for Magnus, who comes from a different planet.
gabrielconroy: carlsen played Ne5 in biel
Zeblakob80: there is also Ne5??? right.
Theokratix: Nh4 actually has a better statistic result than Ne5, but not so common.
snoopy: slav queens gambit/ czech var d17
gabrielconroy: 6. Ne5 Nbd7 7. Nxc4 Nb6 was how that continued
BlunderSuck: Garry told him; no win today; no dessert tonight
Destrudo: Magnus played this line against WAng Yue a couple of months back
Destrudo: at the Mtel masters I think it was
DiBee: naka is really thinking. guess he didnt prepare for that move
shahost: http://www.chessopeningsdatabase.com/12/d4,d5,c4,c6,Nf3,Nf6,Nc3,dxc4,a4,Bf5,Nh4,/Chess-Openings-Database.htm
gabrielconroy: i imagine naka will give this one quite some thought if it's uncommon
gabrielconroy: i imagine naka will give this one quite some thought if it's uncommon
Zeblakob80: I am sure that kasparov beats Moro with Ne5 (around 1999)
anandrulez: Can carlsen beat Rybka ?
anandrulez: As white
Zeblakob80: Yes but with a particular preparation.
gabrielconroy: sorry for the double post, not sure how that happened
anandrulez: yes , i think
anandrulez: aleast draw as white if he plays his best
Destrudo: yes Carlsen could beat Rybka but probably not every time
Akireta: Nakamura has beaten Rybka... 3 times (out of hundreds)
snoopy: anand aka beat rybka in bullet as black
Theokratix: as white and Nh4 - sure Destrudo? Didn't find it.
anandrulez: Anand Rybka ? where ?
greenknight: what is going on here... have they gotten teh colours right?
broccoli: thats a really difficult situation for nakamura
broccoli: facing a uncommon move when kasparov is the opponents coach
powersmurf: is rybkas 6...Be6 really the best here?
anandrulez: Anand is a 2780 player I shud say not 2800 level now
BlunderSuck: they beaten Rybkas on time lol
Sti: I hope DeepRybka with his depth-21 analysis will show up. His Rybka version very often gives different evaluations than the 2.2..
JJuett: As weird as it looks, Nh4 has been played by Kasparov, Kramnik, and Gelfand.
Klovnen: it's not that uncommon...
DiBee: of course Kasparov
Klovnen: 6...e6 is the main line
JJuett: Though Kasparov hasn't played it since the 1980's, I should point out.
sani: Ive come to realize that MC can move that knight around the table artfully
anandrulez: lol thats outdated then
snoopy: bc8 bd7 bg4 also possible
DiBee: maybe kasparov wants magnus to resurrect Nh4
anandrulez: magnus ideas seems to be simple - get out of the problem pieces , give opponent nothing whatsoever
sani: therefore find it difficult to question his motives just yet
Sti: It surely gave Naka something to think about though.
anandrulez: Kasparov work has made Kasparov 5-10 ELO's stronger if not mroe
anandrulez: epscially chosing openings
DiBee: im sure naka wish they are playing blitz now!
JJuett: 6...e6 has been the most common move, followed by 6...Bc8.
anandrulez: aleady the clocks are tiking for burger kid
Solartiger: naka feels he must be down to under 5 mins to play stromg against magnus
BlunderSuck: Get that bishop out of f5
Akireta: e6 looks better than the bishop moves
BlunderSuck: 111À
DiBee: wooah
snoopy: e3 most common
powersmurf: 7. e3 e5 NCO main line
Gurgeh: Heh.. Rybka gives minus for white in all four games today :). OK. this just changed to 0.02, but still.
coelocanth: wow, ALL the way back. Interesting.
greenknight: it makes a weird sort of sense. the bishop blocks the pawn on e6, the knight on d7, just becomes a target on g4
NeverMoreChess: Jason: what is the purpose of the 5. a4 move?
Theokratix: Nf3 more common than e3 via transposition
Garnoth: a4 is to prevent black from holding on to the pawn
Garnoth: with b5
JJuett: 6...Bc8 makes some sense, as the bishop doesn't get in the way of Black's pawns, and also White will probably need to play Nh4-f3 at some point, without the knight doing anything on h4 now.
DiBee: magnus is moving fast
snoopy: still in prep for him
NeverMoreChess: Garnoth: thanks.
Sti: Magnus has some home prep here, besides he can do most of his thinking on Naka's time..
shahost: e5 now?
techgambit89: a4 avoids blacks securing of c5
DiBee: ..e5 8.Bxc4 exd4
JJuett: Most players with Black have now taken the opportunity to get in 7...e5, taking advantage of White's temporary lake of coverage over e5. Of course,8.dxe5 Qxd1+ is comfortable for Black, so Carlsen would likely answer with 8.Bxc4.
powersmurf: so white has an IQP position eventually
mesw: why not 7.e4
mesw: ?
magnus3carlsen: why?
shahost: and then exd4?
Garnoth: I have seen Carlsen do wonders with a IQP, it can really be a wonderfull weapon
gabrielconroy: this is where rybka gets bizarre, suggesting Be6 again
conolol: 7.e4 is a little ambitious
JJuett: 7.e4 allows 7...e5! to come with greater effect, since d4 is more loose.
powersmurf: 7. e4 e5 and white has problems if he wants to avoid trading queens
gabrielconroy: so what's the idea with white's black-squared bishop?
Theokratix: Be6 would certainly be an interesting novelty. Only computers would consider it.
mesw: thanks
Garnoth: I think computers consider it because it is materialistic and tries to hold the c4 pawn
gabrielconroy: Bxc4 followed by a b-pawn push and Ba3/b2?
Theokratix: yes, not counting tempi
DiBee: how about 7.Nf3?
Zeblakob80: Be6 is blunder. never try to hold the gambit pawn.
Theokratix: 7 Nf3 is ok
hchavarro: Rybka in depth 13 is not credible
bakalao: Be6 is ok for naka
shahost: as normal magnus get the other player using time
greenknight: 7 Nf3 Bf5, lol
honzahucin: I think Nakamura is considering e5
gabrielconroy: e5 would be in character for Naka
DiBee: 7. Nf3 Bf5 8.e3 e6
JJuett: The top line 7...Be6 seems a litttle unlikely to me -- wouldn't Nakamura have gone in for 6...Be6 if he liked that square?
frish: Rybka 3 sees best line for Naka gives posibility for repeated moves and thus a draw down the line...
tewodrosyif: Why did Nakamura go to c8?
frish: this with the Be6 move
Matt_Tsjakk: did not catch the start of the icc commentary. any1 know their names?
Giegerenzer: i think Magnus is really going for a win today, Nakamura beat him recently in blitz game in Oslos
tewodrosyif: does bc8 lose a tempo or move
mesw: then this is why naka played 6...Bc8 to avoid 7.e4
gabrielconroy: well, rybka is just insisting on holding the pawn...the loss of tempo would be extremely dangerous
sani: Tatt Mjakk
anandrulez: Mig and some GM usually
DiBee: how about 7...e6 8.Bxc4 c5
Matt_Tsjakk: it´s an american woman and some british dude, judging by the accents. it´s free btw
techgambit89: i think 7.. e5 is the best move for naka in terms of drawing chances
Garnoth: he played it
anandrulez: I wonder why no e4 instaed of e4
Theokratix: WGM Shahade and IM Martin
Garnoth: as Jason said, e4 allowed e5 with greater strength
techgambit89: nf3 now?
JJuett: Okay, 7...e5 makes the most sense. Something like 7...e6 looks like a worse version of a usual slav, without the light bishop being able to come out.
gabrielconroy: wow, Carlsen has quite clearly prepared this position
techgambit89: quick!
Garnoth: nice, IQP for Carlsen, let's see if he manages some nice attacking game here
greenknight: the c6 pawn is somewhat of an annoyance now
gabrielconroy: where's the c1 bishop headed? f4?
Garnoth: Kasparov used to be quite apt with IQP's, looking at his Tarrasch wins
powersmurf: so white's plan now is to avoid excanges and attack castled K-side?
Matt_Tsjakk: takk theokratix
DiBee: naka should castle now too
frish: MC playes very fast, Naka has used almosr 20 min more...
DiBee: Re1 seems to be the most logical choice
gabrielconroy: now our silicon friend prefers carlsen's position
powersmurf: this is NCO main line for 6.Nh4
techgambit89: yes, magnus has become a sprinter with kasparov on the team compared to earlier blunders in time-panic
powersmurf: evaluated as = on move 14 (kasparov-hubner 1989)
JJuett: It's an interesting waiting game we have here. White's knight isn't well placed on h4, but it prevents Black from developing his Bc8 in a pleasant way.
ULTRAMODERNIST: !? opening choice from magasparov
greenknight: white has some advantage in development here, the c6 pawn is getting in the way of its knight too
gabrielconroy: big psychological plus as well, giving the impression of being in control of the position by playing fast
powersmurf: 11 re1 na6
Matt_Tsjakk: gabriel: and it almost worked in the last match
ULTRAMODERNIST: haha nice one smurf r u my nephew in atlanta!
gabrielconroy: would there be any merit in placing the knighon c7?
JJuett: Something like 11.Re1 Bg4?!, for example, can be met by 12.Qb3, gaining time on b7. After h3, Black's bishop would probably have to go back to c8, since Bh5?! allows Nf5.
DeepRybka: testing
JJuett: So Black's bishop has no good way to get out for the time being.
powersmurf: no ultra, i'm your mom at your uncle's in NY
DeepRybka: White has 69% score here after blacks move
DeepRybka: statistically, h3 and Re1 are the recommended moves here
gabrielconroy: Naka is not going to enjoy being in a cramped/hindered position - perhaps this was a deliberate psychological choice
merlin_zt: @juet yes but black seems to be solid isn't he?
conolol: for now but his white bishop is a little cramped for space
JJuett: Black is solid enough, but White has a little space advantage and some attacking prospects.
greenknight: can black just shove c5 then, after Re1
snoopy: black need to develop badly
Zeblakob80: Karpov would like white's position.
DiBee: not to mention time advantage lol
Zeblakob80: By the way what does mean "edge" in chess??
merlin_zt: it is wierd that carlsen is thinking now..
greenknight: edge = small advantage
gabrielconroy: interesting that adams as black has an IQP against kramnik at the moment
Giegerenzer: its only 10 minutes time diff DiBee
JJuett: White can always answer c5 with d5.
techgambit89: i dont think h3 is necessary
gabrielconroy: Yes, I prefer Re1
anandrulez: White has a pawn adv as per the comp
gabrielconroy: which comp?
BlunderSuck: Carslen thinking now? already out of his preparation?
techgambit89: no reasen for white's queen to be standing at d1 with so many open squares
toxenory: I wonder Knight what will make it in h4
Destrudo: interesting; Bc3 was a loss of tempo and now Magnus has an IQP - great that he is showing a willingness to go into dynamic IQP positions and accept the weakness with it
Destrudo: bc8*
jib: The h4 knight is here to be sacrified at g6
Destrudo: already this is significantly better for white; c6 has been proven to be a bad move from black, d4 will be a good sqaure for white all thru the middlegame
DrZaius: IQP seems to be the word of the day
JJuett: Kasparov-Huebner now saw 11...Na6 followed by Nc7 and Nfd5. Black drew in 16 moves without difficulty.
anandrulez: The only recent game where Carlsen has lost his white edge is versus Aronian in Tal Mem , but that was a flu affected Magnus
SlickMongoose: What about ....c5 12. d5 Nxd5? Doesn't that win a pawn? I assume i'm missing something.
anandrulez: usually Anand doesnt get much out of opening as white vs Super GM's
gabrielconroy: Yes I like the look of the knight on c7, but will Naka try for a more aggressive option?
anandrulez: Kramnik does get that though
Destrudo: 12Nxd5 can be met with Ng6!
JJuett: The c5 pawn hangs in that c5 d5 Nxd5 line.
greenknight: i don't agree with anand not getting much... he gets the types of tactical positions he likes
gabrielconroy: What is Naka's most testing plan here?
UnderDog998: man nakamura is realy having problems on this tournament
anandrulez: Yes but I always ( more than 50%) the comps show a negative valuation with Anand's position . With black though he has a tendency to seize the advantage
Giegerenzer: Adams has used 40 minutes on the first 12 moves against kramnik
gabrielconroy: adams has a big decision to make there, though
anandrulez: Kramnik has never defeated Adams since 2000 , or I think just once
UnderDog998: it funny how carlsen alway plays very fast and is oppenents realy slow and yet most of the time he wins
anandrulez: yes
monozevich: Hikaru Drawkamura
UnderDog998: that prove that he realy has good ability make links it not just studing and memorizing lines
greenknight: anandrulez, it means that he plays in a style that's different to the computer's
DiBee: i would try Nd5 first then 12. Nf3 Na6 just to be different
anandrulez: i have talked/chatted with magnus when he was 13 , i asked for fun about anand and he said he would love to beat him and he did that this year
ULTRAMODERNIST: Arulz im sure you know everything about vishy!!! ahaha
techgambit89: if na6, would bxa6 be wrong?
Destrudo: this is a very clear position so it's easy to play fast; I think Kasparov has been trying to slow him down a bit especially in endgame cos there was more than one ocasion where Magnus blundered and lost. Monozevich: Drawkamura? Lol; he is one player you
DeepRybka: so far they've followed a blitz game which Kasparov won 10 years ago
Destrudo: can't give the draw prefix!!
DeepRybka: Kasparov won in 22 moves
gabrielconroy: i can't see carlsen's time since i opened all four games and it resized the window - any idea how to get it back?
Matt_Tsjakk: you need a screwdriver
DeepRybka: balck played Nd5, Nf3, Be6, Qb3 and white proceeded to eat up blacks queenside pawns
gabrielconroy: I have a chisel, will that do?
anandrulez: UM : yes , thats true though not as much as Aruna ! :)
snoopy: move the window gabe
techgambit89: chess has never been so aggressive as it is these days
gabrielconroy: ha, i have tried that, not a complete idiot-hole
ULTRAMODERNIST: haha 4exclaims!
shahost: na6 now i guess
gabrielconroy: there's nothing to move
snoopy: resize window
greenknight: Nd5 putting the knight in the line of fire doesnt look like a good move
Matt_Tsjakk: close browser, is probably easiest. then restart
gabrielconroy: ok i got rid of the taskbar, that's done it
UnderDog998: tech actuly chess is alot less agressive as it use to be now more technical smarter and more defensive
snoopy: bottom corner
anandrulez: What is the score so far in Gelf and Pono , its amazing that this game is watched times and times over than the World Cup of chess, explains a lot about taste of chess fans
Matt_Tsjakk: chisel or saw. if that doesn´t work. restarting is probably easiest :)
techgambit89: its a good sign when most ppl thinks its heading for a draw, cos then carlsen will do his magic and voilá!
UnderDog998: it more computer chess because now people have understood that wild move dont ussaly win
gabrielconroy: there doesn't seem to be a resize option in firefox for the actual board frame
gabrielconroy: all the other windows i can resize
ULTRAMODERNIST: match even but gelfand playin much better so he probably will win! hehe
greenknight: anandrulez: 3 draws, both those players are playing it safe
UnderDog998: but carlsen is bring a new area of agression Smart cmputer agression :D
DiBee: makes me wonder what chess plays would be like now if there were no computer chess engine/programs
UnderDog998: the same it was in the pass
UnderDog998: maby slighty better but ther wouldnt be such a diffrence
ULTRAMODERNIST: this is sad for naka
powersmurf: i think you can ask the firefox foundation for a refund
JJuett: 11...Nd5 is a similar idea to the Na6-c7 line, but it looks like 12.Nf3 is now good for White.
anandrulez: Make your posts into a single line and dont use too much enter as the chessbomb site doesnt support more than 10 chat per minute :) thanks
DiBee: haha
techgambit89: @underdog: yes, ur partly right, but in the cold war era the players were very anxious of losing
DiBee: like what i had thought
Destrudo: this looks drawish for now, I can't see Magnus giving up the bishop pair which is Rybka's top line
UnderDog998: and also the soviete union dominated alot
JJuett: After 12.Nf3, 13.Nxd5 cxd5 14.Bxd5! is threatened, overloading the black queen.
UnderDog998: and that made it so ther wasnt that many people that werent russa that were interested in chess
Gurgeh: a pawn sac
ULTRAMODERNIST: wow
Zeblakob80: mmmm a rook sac on e6 is cokking a la TAL ...
techgambit89: yes, its good we now have more diversity in chess
greenknight: ok so he's trying to mount a blockade on d5 then
UnderDog998: now ther alot more people interested in it :D i think that it might be internationaly publish on Television soon ( in the next 5 or 6 years)
Destrudo: blockade schmocake; simple, Qb3 and we're looking at a miniature =0)
JJuett: Possibly winning the pawn on d5 right away wouldn't be good, but it would always be hanging over Black's head.
JJuett: So Be6 makes sense, to guard that point.
ULTRAMODERNIST: yeah this is almost over
d_ahura: doesn't seem like black can achieve a blockade without white allowing it
Destrudo: *schmockade
gabrielconroy: Would be nice if Rxe6 was possible, but it's just not
DeepRybka: Qb3
korchnoi: 13 Qb3 Na6 is Kasparov-Tal 1988, which ended in a draw...
UnderDog998: if rbka says plus .60 that mean it caculated winning a pawn but take of the fact that he loses the bishop of a horse
ULTRAMODERNIST: nimzovich is dubious at best! hehe
Destrudo: white can get a good attack here if black isn't careful; Ne5 is coming soon
gabrielconroy: I guess after Qb3 Na6, Qxb7 would be off limits due to ...Nb4!
Zeblakob80: korchnoi, why do you become angry when you lose? Why do you throw your pen? Thanks.
korchnoi: Yes... I agree... Garry did not take on b7 and Tal played ...Nb4 later
gabrielconroy: Where the trapped queen would allow far too much counterplay for black
Destrudo: No, Qxb7 is fine I just Fritzed it
gabrielconroy: Nb4 threatening Nc2 as well
DeepRybka: gabriel: Kasparov played Qbx7 and won in a BLITZ game though
UnderDog998: but Qb3 wins the pawn definitly or else why would rybka score it .6 and everything else loser that not just position gain over all it actuly winning something
ULTRAMODERNIST: well if garry played this already then naka really in trouble! hehe
UnderDog998: lower*
gabrielconroy: well...interesting option for Carlsen - very risky I'd say though
greenknight: maybe there is prep involving Qxb7, actually. kasparov probably brought this to his attention
gabrielconroy: It would certainly be double-edged
DeepRybka: that doesnt necesarily mean magnus will play Qxb7 in a classical game, though, unless he's prepared for that line
merlin_zt: i don't like carlsen's opening choice..it seems like he doesn't have much
RobKing: If this were preperation we would see Carlsen moving faster than this
gabrielconroy: Where's our resident master analysis on Qxb7?
maginoo: Book: 13.Qb3 n=2 75% 1W 1D 0B
Destrudo: it's possible it's prep; but it woudn't really be the style of Magnus to take on b7 IMO
gabrielconroy: looks like a long term decision
Destrudo: Robking: Not necessarily; he may want Naka to think it isn't preparation
tahlbrazilian: why 998,underdog?
RobKing: but whats the real advantage in that?
siamesedream: O'Sullivan 1 (17) 4 Higgins
gabrielconroy: Trouble is, Qb3 Qb6 looks quite drawish
gabrielconroy: Oh, I might put the snooker on as well
RobKing: I would imagine that preparation is scarier
Destrudo: psychological
vagsak: I think Hikaru is going to have difficult afternoon.
gabrielconroy: He knew that before the game started
ULTRAMODERNIST: heh
UnderDog998: underdog was taken lol
play4fun55: I'm sure both players sit down with full faith in their abillety to win this game. If they sit down withouth such belif they woud sure lose
Zeblakob80: This sort of structure remind me the Alekhine-Capa games, and those of Smyslov.
ULTRAMODERNIST: oh zeblak u oldschool baby! hehe
Zeblakob80: ULTRAMODERNIST, lol.
sani: oh ultramodernast u smartass
ULTRAMODERNIST: !! haha the realdeal
ULTRAMODERNIST: hehe
UnderDog998: yes but if they now the disadvantage they can play more wisely and play more defensivly for a draw. Going in the game blindly think you superior doesnt get you for it better to evualate you level and play accordinly
gabrielconroy: The time Carlsen's taking here suggests that Qxb7 wasn't part of his Kaspy prep
ULTRAMODERNIST: trust me ive been call worse
gabrielconroy: crap wolves are one nil up against spurs
ULTRAMODERNIST: what!
gabrielconroy: only 11 mins in though
siamesedream: 1st line seems reasonable
ULTRAMODERNIST: oh that might be my main man johnny flynn!
gabrielconroy: dunno, just got on some russian sopcast channel
JJuett: The critical line is 13.Qb3 Na6!, in my opinion. White can try grabbing a pawn with 14.Qxb7 Nab4 15.Bxd5 cxd5 16.Bg5! Bxg5 17.Qxb4 Rb8 18.Qa3 Be7 19.Qa2, where I'm not sure if Black has full compensation.
RobKing: First line seems to leave White with a lot of long term weaknesses
gabrielconroy: Although the white queen is a little out of sorts on a2 in that line
tewodrosyif: is rybka accurate at this stage- 0.6???
waustad: Rybka is materialistic at times
sani: anyone with R3 running?
fleiseren: Qb3 wins pawn, so Rybka is right.
korchnoi: Never trust the computer in the opening...
SlickMongoose: Rybka 2.3 gives +0.43 at d=17. I wouldn't pay too much attention though.
Sti: R3 at 20 depth gives 0,43
UnderDog998: no this is accruate it the best move
Destrudo: already we are out of common book. Carlsen may be thinking that thsi is Naka's prep, let's not forget that
Zendo: no more closed games today?
RobKing: I dont trust Rybka here because white is left with IQP, weak pawns on b2 and a5. They cannot be immediately won, but eventually they will fall
UnderDog998: that pretty big for Rybka 3 whit advance search this mean that if you can maintain tempo you win
UnderDog998: Rybka 3 whit 20 depth put it lower because it caculates like realy far all the potential factors
anandrulez: I think once has to learn from Maggie how to play white
UnderDog998: but that just mean you need less points wht rybka 3 then other rybka to win
Destrudo: Fritz gives b6 as best hree
ULTRAMODERNIST: WOW- BOYSIX?
UnderDog998: yes but rybka 2.2 demo whit 1 sec of tought it sometime stronger then 10 min of fritz
JJuett: After 13...Qb6 14.Nxd5 cxd5 15.Bxd5, I think 15...Qxb3 may be an improvement on the computer line below. After 16.Bxb3 Bx3 17.Rxe7 Bd5, Black has some drawing chances with the opposite bishops.
UnderDog998: it crazy fritz isnt realy that reliable for perfection
ULTRAMODERNIST: oh
monozevich: fritz is a weak engine
UnderDog998: very very weak
korchnoi: Perfection? What is perfection?
BlunderSuck: 13...Na6, is it realistic?
ULTRAMODERNIST: fritz 12 weak?
gabrielconroy: Nice analysis, JJuett - the hanging bishop on e7 is critical to the position unfolding
RobKing: we can't trust this engine here because notice that it didnt seem to think much of Na6 before Qb3
RobKing: we can't trust this engine here because notice that it didnt seem to think much of Na6 before Qb3
korchnoi: The perfect game only gets played once...
monozevich: yes, ryka, shredder, junior, hiarcs are better than fritz
UnderDog998: perfect games have never been played
UnderDog998: expect for draws
Karpo: ...Qb6 according to Rybka 3
ULTRAMODERNIST: oh thanks!
korchnoi: halprin-pillsbury was a perfect draw
UnderDog998: a perfect game last about 100 moves and nother rybka or any human have ever played 100 perfect move that all balence themself
korchnoi: Balance? What is balance?
fleiseren: once I played e4, e5 and then I safed with a draw and won the tournament. Wasnt that a perfect game?
anandrulez: U play perfect only for first 30 moves then inaccuracy comes in invariably
tewodrosyif: how many games does mc analyze every month?
ULTRAMODERNIST: hehe
tahlbrazilian: the chess is for humans! the computers is out!!!
sani: i cut your middle finger in half, you cut my middle finger in half
UnderDog998: A perfect game is a game that was each move is analsy for 100 move a head that over alot more then 1000 and 1000 of billion moves
JJuett: 13...Qb6 14.Qxb6!? might be a better try for a win.
Turbo: magnus will want revenge because nakamura diminished the meaning of his world blitz title recently
Destrudo: There are many examples of perfect games from an engine point of view played by humans; look at Fischer in his prime, when you analyse those games there are no alternative suggestions. Fritz is about 2500 Elo, hardly weak!
UnderDog998: it most be a move that has 0% flaws it is the perfect move
gabrielconroy: I think he's probably more concerned with winning this tournament
UnderDog998: no game like that has ever been played
korchnoi: It depends on your definition of flaw...
ULTRAMODERNIST: oh thanks destrudo didnt know that bout bobby
gabrielconroy: exactly, korchnoi
tewodrosyif: I dont think we'll ever know until chess is completely solved.
UnderDog998: the move that cordinates your advantage to the maximum that it go that the move other cordinats you so much that ther no way anything can give more tempo and streght then wat you did
korchnoi: So if your engine doesn't flatline and show 0.00 throughout the encounter, the game is not perfect...
RobKing: yea but 2500 ELO gets crushed by Carlsen more often than not
RobKing: so how can it be perfect?
whinin_boy: i saw a game between anand and carlsen (dragon) no computer saw the winning move for mc but my old prog suddenly saw it but sorry mc didnt and he lost the game but no expert or no prog never saw the move - what about that
techgambit89: @underdog: how is it possible with 0% flaw when u can transpose?
Turbo: engines are not perfect
Turbo: nobody knows what perfect chess looks like
anandrulez: whinin : which game ? Corus 2008 ?
techgambit89: engines can be perfect cos their builders aren't :p
korchnoi: The computer is at a disadvantage in the opening because of the horizon effect. Humans feed it "perfect" moves so that it survives...
ULTRAMODERNIST: the guys that programmed them r flawed so the engines r flawed -logical?
techgambit89: can't*
Goran: hello
Goran: finally I am able to talk!
techgambit89: hello!
ULTRAMODERNIST: I DO
UnderDog998: the first move is the one that give you most edge then second is the best reply to the move... extra extra it analsy all the replys and understanding the move that 100 futher will be able to resist or give you the most option chess can be perfect since th
Turbo: perfect chess engine would have to calculate ALL possibilities
whinin_boy: yeah think it was corus
UnderDog998: since ther only limited number of move that can played in certain position
P2kmil: Kasparov is perfect
Goran: Jason, in the line with 15...Qxb3 that you suggested, black Bishop is still on e6, not d5
JJuett: oh, let me check, maybe I have a typo or something
ULTRAMODERNIST: im ULTRAMODERN of course in know what perfect chess look like!!!
Goran: sorry, I imagined Bxf3, I guess you meant Bxf3
UnderDog998: the only way we can play perfect game would have to be like 100 year form now went we have super super computers
Goran: Bxb3
ULTRAMODERNIST: hehe
UnderDog998: like went ther able to be the cia computer in to small laptops
tewodrosyif: No not super computers, Super Quantum Computers
ULTRAMODERNIST: wow
JJuett: oops, instead of Bxf3 I meant Bxb3
RobKing: as far as computing goes, we can only hope to solve chess using Quantum computing
UnderDog998: but still it alway expand so even then am still sure lol
klypp: only tablebase positions can be played perfectly, and there is often more than one move to choose from
ULTRAMODERNIST: bots wil never be better than human!!!
UnderDog998: computer are the exact replica of how you mind work you know
techgambit89: kramnik - adams is for certain heading for a draw.. puts some pressure of the norwegian, perhaps..
Matt_Tsjakk: ultramodernist. The T1000 kicked ass though
UnderDog998: just massive number of information make links whit each other exactly like computer :D
Turbo: yes quantum computers will solve it and we will see if 1 e4 is a winning move
gabrielconroy: aha
UnderDog998: the only real diffrence is brain wave and coded info
Destrudo: chess will never be fully solved: there are more possible games up to move 40 than there are atoms in the univrse. Most experts are agreed that played perfectly is is always a draw
ULTRAMODERNIST: what is that!
gabrielconroy: one of my housemates at uni was doing her phd on trying to make a quantum computer
techgambit89: na6 it is!
UnderDog998: that 100% that obvious since chance has so many ways to make draws
UnderDog998: chess
Matt_Tsjakk: T1000: http://sistematiqueiros.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/t1000.jpg
techgambit89: what about ne5 now?
fleiseren: you loose only if you make a mistake in chess
RobKing: quantum computing can solve chess
fleiseren: You cant loose without making a mistake
filipmarko: fleiseren is right
UnderDog998: ther by repeative check... ther unable to move ther insufiant matirial
UnderDog998: wow my message like delayed 5 minutes...
korchnoi: Depends on what you mean by a mistake... Capablanca won many games in which his opponent's error was not discernible...
ULTRAMODERNIST: The Terminator! right! hehe
UnderDog998: discernible?
Destrudo: robking: Sorry, but I disagree, chess will never be solved, it is too massive. The idea of playing a perect game is a matter of opition with regard to how to proceed. IMO it would be maintaining the initiative with white until the win of material or
JJuett: 13...Na6!? -- the same move Tal played.
Destrudo: a better position, then driving the advantage home without making and minor tactical blunders
Turbo: the number of moves in chess is finite - therefore it will be solved unless civillization collapses - aliens may have already solved it - or they may have solved it at area 51 - where they must have secret quantum computers already
Akireta: chess on a sufficiently large board qualifies as a "mathematically difficult" problem that is it can't be solved by bruteforce by a computer with the resources of the universe in the lifespan of the universe... whether that size is 8x8 I have no idea.
magnus3carlsen: what is meant by discernible?
filipmarko: Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake - Tartakower
RobKing: the reason that chess cannot be solved right now is because of the amount of time needed for current computers to do it. this is because they can only do one calculation at a time
UnderDog998: i dont think it matter of a opignon perfect is in fact the best scenario and if it doesnt meet that then it cannot be viewed as perfect
korchnoi: The evals have fallen after Tal's ...Na6!
korchnoi: Go Hikaru!
gabrielconroy: Rybka's not even considering Qxb7
Destrudo: a better position, and then driving the win home. But as was said; you can't win unless your opponent makes a mistake. With regard to playing "a perfect game" how else can it be judged other than by engine analysis?
fleiseren: Go Carlsen!
RobKing: Quantum computing on the other hand can use superposition principle to do millions of calculations at once
korchnoi: Perhaps Garry prepared Magnus for this very position?
ULTRAMODERNIST: sure
snoopy: gabe nb4?
JJuett: Against Tal Kasparov didn't grab b7, but he did in another game 10 years later.
UnderDog998: well perfect that just winning
fleiseren: probably :-)
Akireta: it's plausible that there's a way other than brute force to solve it. Say a sufficiently advanced equation/theorem
P2kmil: is Qxb7 a trap?
gabrielconroy: Yes, Nb4 is definitely the thorn behind Qxb7
UnderDog998: well that not perfect that just winning ( i hate this public chat restricted)
JJuett: Though the latter game was only an online 5 0 game.
magnus3carlsen: is BxNa6 feasible?
Destrudo: Robking: present computers analyse several million positions per second. Even if computers were designed that were a million times quicker there will still be not enough time for chess to be solved. It can't be done man; don't forget that a game can go on
ULTRAMODERNIST: yeah akireta thats why i got them moving that knight around! hehe
Destrudo: for 1000 moves. P2kmil: Qxb7 isn't a trap, but white can't hold onto the pawn so it's better not to take
ULTRAMODERNIST: ssshh im tricky! hehe
BlunderSuck: Suggestion chat not related to the game can be do in the living room
fleiseren: Right now they are making tablebase with 6 pieces. Its a long way till 32!!
gabrielconroy: good idea Blundersuck - good luck implementing it
ULTRAMODERNIST: oh hehe
RobKing: Destrudo, chess is a finite game because of the 50 move rule, therefore it can be solved, it has been shown that Quantum computing would be able to do it
magnus3carlsen: is 14. BxNa6 ok?
greenknight: guys I think the irrelevant chat is stressing the server, you might want to cut it down before the admins restrict it again. It keeps disconnecting/reconnecting
fleiseren: maybe they will have it in ten years?
P2kmil: ok, destrudo. thanks.
Goran: moved quickly
gabrielconroy: yes let's stop going on about quantum computing and 'solving chess'
fleiseren: Tablebase with 10 pieces I mean
Akireta: agreed, sorry.
ULTRAMODERNIST: yeah!
Destrudo: ok man, let's just agree to disagree and watch the game
Gurgeh: You do not understand how quantum computers work Destrudo. It is not a linear speed-up. They actually change the algorithmic complexity of some problems. That is why they will be able to crack cryptos which are also "too hard".
JJuett: 14.Bxa6 bxa6 gives Black sufficient active play to compensate for the messed up structure, in my opinion.
gabrielconroy: and...stop
ULTRAMODERNIST: heh
P2kmil: sorry, but this is going like a messenger chat. lets focus on the game?
UnderDog998: Yeah i know it it goes like 40x every turn but were entering the tera erea soon that for only home computer imagine once we hit 1000 tera and do it a big 1 meter long chip it gona go to like 1 million tera that alot of main frame running
gabrielconroy: i thought we agreed to stop talking about this...take it somewhere else or talk about the game we're all here to watch
UnderDog998: and you leave that play game for like week i think that would be a perfect game
merlin_zt: i like white after 14...Nb4 15.Ne4
Steinwitz: Isn't there an it-tech forum somewhere where people can discuss quantum applications of game theory? And then we can focus on Carlsen-Naka?
snoopy: keep it to analyses of moves
UnderDog998: that would probebly be the lobby but i like watch magnus play
UnderDog998: watching*
Gurgeh: I see more chats about focusing on the game, than actual analysis.
Matt_Tsjakk: I find the solving chess talk interesting. sorry. But the majority thinks otherwise, so wait and i´ll see if those wanting to discuss the game will do so. But one could perhaps do both?
gabrielconroy: not when the server can't handle lots of chat
gabrielconroy: and especially when half the people blabbering on don't seem to know much about what they're talking about
gabrielconroy: So...what's white's plan here?
merlin_zt: to make his pieces active
sani: how about Bg5
gabrielconroy: Bg5?
merlin_zt: is Ng5 a threat?
gabrielconroy: That just loses a piece
Destrudo: yes or either nkight to g5 also looks good
greenknight: white's queen doesnt have an easy route to the kingside
JJuett: White's planning a possible Ng5, and if 15...h6 he has 16.Nc5 Bxc5 17.dxc5, maintaining pressure against the queenside.
Destrudo: it will do after Nfg5
gabrielconroy: JJuett - so what about the hanging knight on g5?
Destrudo: but i think Magnus is focusing on queenside pressure here
greenknight: its interesting to compare this to black's knights, which cannot move forward
gabrielconroy: as in 17...hxg5
Destrudo: they are fairly well posted anyway though. I like the Nc5 idea, especially because Bxc5 un-isolates white's d pawn and wins him the bishop pair; two brand new advantages
JJuett: I'm not sure I understand your question. After h6 I'm suggesting Nc5 instead of Ng5.
gabrielconroy: Oh, i thought you meant Nfg5 h6 Nc5
JJuett: oh, ok
JJuett: Okay, so 15...Bf5 prepares to answer 16.Neg5?? with 16...Nc2.
gabrielconroy: Is Nfg5 still good? 16. Nfg5 h6 17. Nf3 Bxe4 18. Rxe4
vishyarmand: But know Carles could win de bishop pair with Ng3 followd by Ke5 no?
JJuett: Something like 16.Ne5 looks pretty logical. Black's knights aren't in place to challenge the e5 outpost.
techgambit89: ke5?
greenknight: black also can't play f6 because d5 would be pinned then
play4fun55: ne5
BlunderSuck: Crazy first lie suggested by R2.2
gabrielconroy: and of course f6 would be bad due to the pressure on the diagonal
Destrudo: yes, Nfg5 is a waste of time now, Ne5 def looks best, I think Magnus will prob pay it
vishyarmand: but is bad Kg3? if black go Kd3 is possible to double rooks
Destrudo: that's the third time Naka has moved his LSB
Im2Good: 16. Nfg5 Bxg5 17. Nxg5 Nc2 no?
gabrielconroy: Ng3? Nc2! wins the exchange
merlin_zt: vishy is N and not K
gabrielconroy: yes, true
vishyarmand: ok :)
gabrielconroy: so, Ne5 looks best
gabrielconroy: there we go
tanera: 16. a5 b5 was 0.51 by rybka 3
play4fun55: How comfortable is Naka with this kind of complex possitional games compared to Carlsen ?
UnderDog998: i think it one of his strongest points
snoopy: naka can play positional chess jusging by his blitz
magnus3carlsen: he's comfortable, coz he's GM
Destrudo: Naka prefers tactical, Carlsen prefers positional, as far as I'm aware. This is really a mixture of both so it's fairly balanced
tewodrosyif: What amazes me is that Carlsen chooses the rybka move 90% of the time!!!
snoopy: naka plays a lot of closed defenses as black
JJuett: 16...a5 looked necessary. Otherwise Carlsen may play 17.a5 on the next move, preventing the Nb4 from enjoying a completely stable square and clamping the queenside.
gabrielconroy: the clear third rank is a bonus for white, more implied kingside pressure for Naka to think about
UnderDog998: nakumara is a very agressive Gm ussaly younger people tend to play strong analsy but not that good positional ther better in wild position
greenknight: what a melee, the pieces are so tangled up on the queenside now
JJuett: In fact 16.a5!? was worthy of consideration to make sure to get it in.
tanera: 17. Nc5 Bxc5 is 0.56 by rybka 3
greenknight: what about this Nc2 fork?
Destrudo: Rybka doesn't consider Nc5 ... Nc2, interesting
P2kmil: Qf3 is great here!
greenknight: Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5 Nc2
UnderDog998: destrudo wat you mean nc5 is the main line
Destrudo: yes but followed with ... Bxc5 - Nc2 looks good in that line instead of taking on c5
SlickMongoose: My Rybka 2.3 prefers Nc5 Bc2 (+0.46, d=14)
vaughn: it look likes nc2 has real drawbacks in all lines.don't know why
techgambit89: whites knight on e4 can't move cos blacks will fork the rooks at c2.. i dont get rybka 2.2 sometimes..
UnderDog998: yeah but those are not depth analsy
tanera: yea computer prefers Bc2 instead of Nc2
Destrudo: now we are entering the blunderzone
Starspawn: wont Qf3 give b4knight freedom to plague towers?
JJuett: The problem with Nc2 is that it ends up leaving the queenside pawns dropping off and White gets great compensation.
ULTRAMODERNIST: im hopin naka can hold on to a draw here! one more mistake and its curtains unfortunately!
Destrudo: Bc2 Qf3 advantage to white
vishyarmand: And what about Qf3, is bad? (the bishop is hanging so the c2 point ..)
tanera: ok after Nc2 its Qxb7 with 1.27 advantage for white
gabrielconroy: One more? He hasn't really made a mistake yet
greenknight: ah. c6 drops as well
MagnusCarlsberg: so, bishop pair and a couple of queenside pawns are stronger than the exchange
Destrudo: I think Magnus will play Rac1 to keep things uncomplicated
UnderDog998: wat a mistake for you gabriel? hanging the queen?
vishyarmand: In the line Nc5, Bxc5 is forced?
Destrudo: it's a logical move and white keeps the edge
UnderDog998: his made a few mistake and at ther level that all they need
Gurgeh: His first mistake was playing black. One more mistake against Carlsen is all it takes
techgambit89: naka is really holding the fort here, not far from keeping track with him on time either
UnderDog998: No his mistake was entering a tournament that carlsen is playing in that certain death
ULTRAMODERNIST: cmon gurgeh give us something real ! hehe
gabrielconroy: No, but which moves would you suggest were mistakes?
anandrulez: yes , naka is doing g so far for a bulleter
UnderDog998: ok not mistake flaws and yu just to look at the moves ther purple
UnderDog998: need
P2kmil: after blunder in last game, MC is dog bitten
techgambit89: i think we're up for a replay of yesterday's match against howell to what time is concerned
merlin_zt: what about Rac1 here?
UnderDog998: yeah wat happen went i left for school MC was destroying and went i comeback it draw....
Gurgeh: Well, I am more or less serious. I can't identify any mistakes. They were following book for a while and since then all moves have been reasonable. Just because Rybka 2.2 with 30 seconds thinks "slight mistake" does not mean that it is
gabrielconroy: Hardly, our IM commentator and pretty much everyone else was suggesting 7...e5 as opposed to Rybka 2.2 at 11 moves depth Be6
gabrielconroy: exactly Gurgeh, I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about, just reading off some fast Rybka analysis
ULTRAMODERNIST: hehe me too!
bakalao: best weapon against Naka is litt sushi
UnderDog998: .... ok one sec ill anasly it
anandrulez: typical magnus move there
anandrulez: and as per the comps the best
gabrielconroy: I hope Naka goes for the exchange, we'll see some fireworks if so
Gurgeh: This is getting complex.. If this will turn out good for white, maybe black made a mistake allowing it ;)
gabrielconroy: That was mainly the thinking behind Bf5, so this Nc5 has made that seem a little misplaced
merlin_zt: carlsen doesn't have fear in his vocabulary it seems..
gabrielconroy: If Naka now doesn't go for Nc2
ULTRAMODERNIST: thanks gurgeh i thought u were hiding! hehe
JJuett: Great, Carlsen finds17.Nc5!. No wasted worrying about Nc2.
JJuett: No wasted = No time wasted
UnderDog998: yeah rybka was only focus on procting a pieace that was gona drop it was stupid move
ULTRAMODERNIST: underdog!!! haha
UnderDog998: yet for some reason after that move naku is .20 and over all the time and befort ther equal
UnderDog998: ther must be a move were missing
magnuschess: what if Nc2 ?
Gurgeh: I don't quite see how white should protect the knight after Rybka's line against 17...Nc2. If 22.Ba6 then 22..Ra8
greenknight: Does Bc2 really help black much?
JJuett: Bxc5 and Bc2 both look necessary for Black, in either order.
d_ahura: This is a bit of deja vu feeling about this kind of positions. Must be all those Italian Game I played early in my youth
merlin_zt: i now think 35 is a little too much..
anandrulez: JJuett why not Nc2 ?
ULTRAMODERNIST: yall ever see that movie where they call your phone and say 7 days!
MagnusCarlsberg: my mind goes crazy here - too many options and variations to consider
ULTRAMODERNIST: thats what happening to nakas position 7MOVES!! hehe
UnderDog998: man i dont understand move 7 why does e5 put him in disadvantage for the game srxly wat other move is ther
JJuett: 17...Nc2? 18.Nxb7! gives White great play for the exchange, with Black's queenside pawns falling off.
UnderDog998: his crotch in he need space and he need to gain temp that the only move make him get tempo
DeepRybka: Rybka prefers Re8 instead of Bc2
ULTRAMODERNIST: hehe
tanera: after Nc2 its Qxb7
tanera: and after that Rb8 and Qx c6 as well
anandrulez: Yeah the queen side attack
UnderDog998: Nb8 to Nd7 does realy do much
anandrulez: Magnus plays very principled moves , no tactical oppurtunity for black here
ULTRAMODERNIST: go get anand for the magasparov team! hows that rulz?
anandrulez: Yeah UM , thats the challegen for vishy !
UnderDog998: maby reposition itb6 but still at that time he needed temp that way to long of move
ULTRAMODERNIST: !!!
ULTRAMODERNIST: Thats gunna be fun
UnderDog998: it realy dont see anything else then e5.. so why does it make him go form equal to .20...
anandrulez: I would bet Vishy wants to play Magnus - the same challenge that Kasparov posed to him being done by magnus
UnderDog998: plz someone put in rybka see if ther move am missing
UnderDog998: 3
greenknight: Because computers cant play openings without the book.
UnderDog998: ok but ther is something about this move that changes the game
UnderDog998: i need to know wat
ULTRAMODERNIST: yeah !
MagnusCarlsberg: a question to the commentators here: how do you go about analyzing otb in a position like this? how can one keep count of the lines, squares, rows, diagonals? do you first look at tactical options and evaluate these?
tahlbrazilian: mikhail tahl,is very happy with carlsenparov!!
Destrudo: Bc2 allows a later Nd7 for Magnus too, I can;t see Naka allowing that
DeepRybka: Magnus can win a pawn
DeepRybka: thats why Rybka gives white slight advantage
anandrulez: MagnusCarlseberg though I am not , I think first u go about analysing weakness for black like b2 pawn etc first before going tactical
UnderDog998: i guess it will forever be a mystary
anandrulez: bc7 wastes a tempo
UnderDog998: be
kickedwithoutreason: Nc2 would be followed by g4, which gives bishop and knight for rook
JJuett: Yeah, you need to calculate in a position like this, but it helps to keep the themese of the position in mind in order to narrow down the variations that you have to look at.
merlin_zt: naka is going to crack very soon..
cashparov: i keep getting disconnected
UnderDog998: same
shahost: i don't see an good moves for black here...
ULTRAMODERNIST: naka almost lost now anyway!
anandrulez: kicked , Na1 threatening queen so thats not the acse
DeepRybka: but Rybka 2.2 on this site doesn't show the variation where white wins a pawn
vishyarmand: ..and it's forced exchange the black bishop for the knight?
UnderDog998: pretty much
UnderDog998: two knight like that is just way to dominate
JJuett: yeah, either Bxc5 right now or after Bc2 first looks forced.
greenknight: there seems no good way to defend b7 otherwise
vishyarmand: aha
MagnusCarlsberg: thanks for replying anandrulez and JJuett; what is a/the theme for this position then?
merlin_zt: nka is going to play Rb8 now..hahhah
anandrulez: 17 moves , dream position for white and just 30 mts in clock
ULTRAMODERNIST: Wow all theses vishys comin outta the woodwork!
JJuett: ok, some things to look at: b7 is weak obviously, the Be7 could be hanging to the rook in some lines, c6 becomes loose after b7 goes, etc.
anandrulez: i dont think Naka can survive this position
Destrudo: and if Bxc5 Juett? Then the bishop pair serves Magnus well, right?
greenknight: with all minor pieces directly engagerd in battle it's very complex, getting one pair off will at least mkae the calculations easier
JJuett: for example, there's the line 17...Nc2? 18.Nxb7! Qc7 19.Bxa5! Nxa1 20.Rxa1 Rxa5 21.Nxa5 Qxa5? 22.Nxc6, picking up the Nd5.
vishyarmand: it's interesant how Carlen gets this colored positions... and he likes a lot the bishop pair!!
vishyarmand: (good trick! Nc2?)
JJuett: yes, this is a good position for bishops
gabrielconroy: ahh, nice line again JJuett
anandrulez: White has good space to manuevre
JJuett: oh, in that above line I should also give 20...Rxa5 a question mark
ULTRAMODERNIST: clock gettin low for naka
DeepRybka: if Nc2? then 18.Nxb7 Qc7 19.Bxa5 Nxa1 20.Rxa1 Qc8 21.Nxc6 Qxc6 22.Bxd5[] Qd7 23.Re1 Rfb8 24.Qf3 Be6 25.Bc6[] Qxd4 26.Bc3[] Qh4 27.a5 Ra6 28.Bb5 Ra7 29.a6 Qg5 30.Bd4 Raa8 31.Qg3 Qxg3 +/- (1.13)
ULTRAMODERNIST: oh
MagnusCarlsberg: ok, is there a standard line for analysises? for example first opening theme, second weaknesses in opponents camp, third important lines/squares/diagonals?
Hortensius: He is the uncrowned blitz champ, so no problems for Naka...
ULTRAMODERNIST: awe thats cold! hehe
play4fun55: naka heading for timetrouble?
JJuett: Even among strong players there are a lot of different methods employed. Different techniques work best for different people.
vishyarmand: And what is the best reply to b6?
snoopy: carlsberg how to think like a grandmaster by kotov
magnuschess: naka doesnt stay agaisnt carlsen in classical
DeepRybka: Hortensius: You forget that Magnus has more time than Naka, so even though Naka is an excellent blitz player, it doesn't help much if your opponent has twice as much thinking time
anandrulez: As they said , its impossible to be a top GM if you dont have a style of play
MagnusCarlsberg: thanks, JJuett; snoopy - I've got that book :)
gabrielconroy: the clock is ticking, 30 mins for 14 moves
Hortensius: At least its less probable that hes gonna blunder on low time
greenknight: the top few players are very good at everything but amazing in at least one special area
DeepRybka: yes, but it's not so easy in complicated positions like this
snoopy: basically they are calculating monsters
davejr1200: 30 mins for 24 moves no??
ULTRAMODERNIST: yeah nice book snoop!, but i think kotv was running game with nimzovich1 hehe
ULTRAMODERNIST: probably why naka busted now!
frish: @davejr1200; yes...
kovar: nakamura is in WC??
gabrielconroy: yeah 24 moves even
ULTRAMODERNIST: !hehe
bakalao: Naka can collapse anytime
Destrudo: b6 is also bad after Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7+ Kh8 and Ne6 in case anyone was wondering
P2kmil: the server is going down a lot. they will close the chat problabl.
DeepRybka: is the relay down?
DeepRybka: is there any updates in the other games?
vishyarmand: And what about the final vs Luke-David?? Is Luke having and advatage??
JJuett: I think Nakamura's just in a really long think.
Solartiger: this position is easier to play for white
DeepRybka: ok, thx, jjuett
ULTRAMODERNIST: jjuett thats funny! i think ur right! haha
edbermac: i think naka has dozed off
ULTRAMODERNIST: what
Destrudo: chessok gives the same position as this. Nakamura is havin gan internal nervos breakdown, probably
frish: there's the move...
merlin_zt: huge time trouble is coming
merlin_zt: hahah..Rb8 would be better there..hahahah
Turbo: what phase of a chessgame does carlsen do best?
greenknight: now the knight fork threat has to be tidied up
snoopy: turbo all of them
snoopy: was weak with openings
snoopy: comparatively
Garnoth: Nakamura likes blitz, so he's going to play blitz :P
ArcticStones3: Are the clocks correct? Nakamura: 23.13, Carlsen 53.46?
RobKing: I dont understand g4 here
greenknight: surprise: carlsen didn't try to keep the bishop pair
kmind0: yes
Turbo: yes he admitted he did not study openings exhaustively yest he was able to get close to the top of chess even so
merlin_zt: g4 would be great here
RobKing: can one of the masters explain the longterm ideas/ramifications behind g4 here?
JJuett: Hm, I was wondering about 19.Bxd5 Nxd5 20.Nc4, aiming for d6.
kmind0: what do you prefere? a rook or a knight and a bishop?
gabrielconroy: hmm, giving Naka long term problem with the isolated pawn, difficult to defend when low on time
Trond: yeah .. and Naka is bad at playing fast ... so
Trond: ;-)
JJuett: The knight and bishop are usually much better, but there are some exceptions.
JJuett: I think Carlsen rushed things over the last few moves.
greenknight: g4 would just be a general pawn charge towards the king, but instead whites isolated pawn has been turned into blacks isolated pawn as payment for the exchanges
Gurgeh: I think Rybka's wild idea with 20.g4 and 22.f4 looked fun instead of Qf3. I wonder if Carlsen considered that assault
JJuett: I wonder if part of his idea of revenge for the blitz match involves playing this game ridiculously fast in order to make it like a rematch.
siamesedream: looks equal
zeitgeist: Squanderboy did it again. Heading for a draw.
gabrielconroy: Now Rybka has this as exactly equal
merlin_zt: frity complete equality now
magnuschess: it is very drawish position , how did they arrve this position in 5 moves :(
JJuett: The e6 pawn isn't that big of an issue, and Black has a nice solid square on d5 for his knight.
merlin_zt: fritz says*
kmind0: Carlsen is a "need revenge" kind of guy=
ULTRAMODERNIST: is this really the game?
kmind0: ?
Steinwitz: Strange, Carlsen creates a very complicated position, forcing Naka to think - and then just unplugs it with the queen off to lunch
snoopy: okay turbo to answer your question magnuses weakness is clock management when he is up in time
ULTRAMODERNIST: right snoop!
obientag: oh common carlsen
snoopy: fo shizzle
JJuett: I agree, snoopy. I remember a few different times he's spoiled good or won positions.
ULTRAMODERNIST: hehehe!
obientag: what the .....
Steinwitz: He didn't manage to find another win against Howell - question is, will he find one here?
gabrielconroy: this is a lot harder to win than his position against Howell
greenknight: the whole g4/f4 business looked rathehr risky
Ricardo: It is not even won!
Steinwitz: He's like a top footballer who scores the occasional own goal, I guess.
cashparov: i don't think g4/f4 is carlsen's style of playing
gabrielconroy: maybe he should develop that side of his game - it would have been more fitting to the complexity of the position, and naka's time trouble
ULTRAMODERNIST: later fellas my eyes are hurting now! hehe
snoopy: by ULTRA
RobKing: lets be fair to carlsen, you all are sitting there with Rybka or Fritz saying "oh what a bad move" but if you look at this without an engine does anybody here have the balls to play g4 and f4?
greenknight: i suppose if you dont excange something though, its hard to work around black's knights
Trond: Magnus has an extreme history of playing g4-moves ..
RobKing: Im very annoyed by all the patzers who sit there with Rybka and criticize the best player in the world for not playing like the computer
greenknight: trond this is with the centre totally open though
P2kmil: almost a move per min. naka may blunder yet
gabrielconroy: alright, alright, calm down
Trond: Yes .. but like when he won against Kramnik, he playes like that ..
gabrielconroy: we're just saying maintaining the complexity was probably a better choice than simplifying when he has double his opponent's time
Trond: opens in front of own king, even if it is a little open in the center
anandrulez: I really appreciate Nakas chess , he atleast fit the bill of a super gm by holding on to Calsen as white
anandrulez: A feat that even Kramnik cant claim
MagnusCarlsberg: i wouldbe really disappointed if carlsen lost the official world nr.1 spot due to a loss in the last round in London; he needs 4,5 out of 7 right? i.e. he can draw all the way to nr.1 including this game
RobKing: g4 is an incredibly suspect idea and Id imagine that in the postgame Carlsen would say the same
Trond: I agree that he probably played wrong here . but if he wins he had the facit and not we and Rybka :-)
anandrulez: I mean ateast positionally , Kramnik was never really = in their game
edbermac: can w double rooks on the e file?
bolle: gg
magnus3carlsen: why u always compare them..?
bolle: carlsen fokked up yesterday
magnus3carlsen: they are all good chess players..
tanera: g4 move is not clear win mind you it was +0.4 sth
snoopy: RobKing agree with g4 idea idea is the moves were made way to hastily
gabrielconroy: of course it wasn't a clear win, but it might have been a better choice
RobKing: yea but OTB are you going to know that g4 = .4 ?
gabrielconroy: and as snoopy says, carlsen rushed into the exchanges
snoopy: It's the rushing
RobKing: its not his style and naka is a super tactical attacking player
Trond: opening in front of own king can very often lead to a draw because of the eternal checks ...
RobKing: carlsen is more of the player to remove counterplay from his opponent and slowly strangle them
snoopy: karpov
RobKing: even if the computer thinks that g4 is better, it allows for naka to gain some counterplay
anandrulez: would the outpost on d6 be any good ? I suppose yes
gabrielconroy: the trouble is here, there's not much play of any kind to speak of
obientag: carlsen what happen????
anandrulez: I think Nd6 can be good for white at some point ? !
gabrielconroy: yes, but he was massively up on the clock, and naka was clearly struggling to make decisions
Trond: I so not think the notplayingg4 is the worst about this position, I think Magnus played too fast and misjudged around the point where he gave up the bishop-pair ..
snoopy: trond agree
whinin_boy: nakamura is winning - mc has to get rid of gk
zeitgeist: Carlsen has a bad habit of making quick moves when having abundant time, especially when player lower rated players. Arrogance perhaps.
ivanmaxq: Nc4
Trond: he should have a zeitgeist wathcing over him??
tanera: its called inexperience zeitgeist, he's still 19
RobKing: everybody is lower rated than carlsen...he spent some time before he played Bxb4 and he probably saw that this was the position he was aiming for
UnderDog998: ... carlsen isnt arrogant... it because his smart and confident in his move this is great for chess player and went get better he will be unstopable since he never doubt himself
P2kmil: wasting time is an art..
RobKing: naka has screwed up positions like this all during the tournament
Turbo: they are all lower rated than him now - he still has a few bugs and glitches in his system but he will get over it - whatever his shortcomings - hes #1 so he has less faults than anybody right now
Trond: to the english-speaking: zeitgeist = time-ghost .. or something, wright zeit-geist??
Destrudo: it's important not to jsut go by the engine eval here. White still has much better chances. The e6 pawn is a clear target, there is a potential knight outpost at d6 and all the small advantages are his. I still favour him to win 100%
BlunderSuck: Impression: Agreed draw is coming
gabrielconroy: spirit of the time
RobKing: he has no real plan, and has no real counterplay, so naka is probably frustrated
RobKing: he has no real plan, and has no real counterplay, so naka is probably frustrated
snoopy: Robking agree naka has blown some endings
MagnusCarlsberg: let's re-evaluate now: time -slight advantage for MC, black has an isolated pawn which is blocked by a knight and the b7pawn can get weak, too; thus white has some minor advantages
ManuelMC: oh gosh i made it im here to see the game
gabrielconroy: that outpost won't last if the c5 pawn drops
Ricardo: Zeitgeist can also mean "spirit of time."
UnderDog998: arrogance is think your better then wat you are and right now carlsen is the best so it pretty hard for him to do that
ManuelMC: 6...,Bc8 is magnus trademark
ontocaustic: naka is hungrier though
Destrudo: agreed, Carlsen is certainly not arrogant, on the contrary he is a humble person compared to many of the other world champions
ontocaustic: every english speaker knows what zeitgeist means
magnus3carlsen: what is zeitgeist
RT: The Fed
ManuelMC: zeitgeist is a german word, but dont know its meaning
ontocaustic: it's the spirit of the times
Ricardo: See above!
RT: It means "general social mood"
Turbo: the feeling of now
RT: ... at the time
Matt_Tsjakk: tidsånd :)
zeitgeist: I meant "much lower rated". Howell profitted on the same tendency, and so has many others. The fat lady hasn't sung yet, so...
magnus3carlsen: who's leading now? is MC really on advantage?
Stokkeland: looks drawish
Destrudo: The Qxc5 Qxe6+ line leads to some nice imbalance
RobKing: Carlsen's real strength seems to me that he can play extremely strong in completely equal positions and essentially turn slow positions into sharp ones in a position sense, so we will have to see what plan he comes up with here.
tanera: hmm Rad8 is -0.17 for black according to rybka...
anandrulez: First draw position for Carlsen in a white game in this tourn
JJuett: I don't think he has any advantage any more. Nakamura can play 23...Na6 and liquidate into a completely even position.
Trond: Some say he is still in charge ,,, but many of us think this is drawish now ..
snoopy: carlsen can still win naka has messed up endgames all tourny
UnderDog998: And arrogance is not alway a bad thing sometime it good to know your place... went you reach Carlsen level you are in fact better then most GMs
UnderDog998: And arrogance is not alway a bad thing sometime it good to know your place... went you reach Carlsen level you are in fact better then most GMs
Destrudo: agreed it looks prety equal but if there's anyone who can turn this around it's certainly Magnus. Hopefully he won't accept a draw offer after Na6, but it could happen
UnderDog998: man public chat is geting annoying
snoopy: especially rook endgames are difficult
bolle: rember that over the board, the e6 pawn is a huge weakness
UnderDog998: restricted*
anandrulez: Yeah Carlsens main strength is how he exploits a minute advantage to victory . While with Kramnik you see some effort , Carlsen makes it look very easy I feel
DaddyOinKY: Kramnik-Adams draw
Trond: Juett: Will not in fact 3 pawns gegen 2 pawns on the queenside favour black in the endgame?? more than the pawnsuperiority on the kingside??
Trond: the c and e-pawns are soon gone folks -- so ..
TheBB: Trond: Curious use of german there.
JJuett: All other things being equal it would be an advantage, but White has enough activity with his rooks to hold with no problems, I think.
JJuett: 23...Nd5!? feels like a winning attempt.
Trond: TheBB ... I am norwegian but have had a lot of german girlfriends and german words are very viel used in chess .. for instance zeitnot and zugzwang ...
anandrulez: blitz boy Naka now
MagnusCarlsberg: trond, why German girlfriends when you live in Norway?
anandrulez: kibitz
Holdenmate: probably a fetish of sorts
Trond: I just met one in Jotunheimen, and then it balled upon sich .. :-)
ManuelMC: therr r two more german word for "move in between" and "check in between"
gabrielconroy: zwischenzug
bakalao: yes, why Trond?
ontocaustic: norwegian women and german women are basically the same
gabrielconroy: und luft, wann mann ueber space sprechen will
Trond: and just 2 girlfriends, and then a lot of girls which are friends,, okay ? Jetzt schluss mit meiner private leben!!
siamesedream: Polish and Russian girls are the best ;)
ManuelMC: yeah
UnderDog998: all women are pretty much the same it doesnt realy matter were come form
ManuelMC: i want one
ontocaustic: once you dismantle them like carlsen dismantles kramnik with black you see that they are the same underneath
Trond: at
RobKing: I think this line of play is a mistake by Naka already because if white is allowed to keep the c5 pawn then the e6 weakness if going to be pointed out eventually
Destrudo: what is the literal translation of Zuqzwang?
guelar: Have Magnus and Naka played many games before (outside blitz)?
gabrielconroy: zug = move
gabrielconroy: zwang = force, i thnk
guelar: zwang=forced
skalle: black position is maybe the easiest to play
bakalao: Ukranians women are best
Destrudo: ok thanks!
greenknight: naka's instinct is telling him to try to attack on the kingside
cesarvanelli: is nakamura going for the win?
UnderDog998: latina women are the best :D
magnuschess: it still drawish position
zeitgeist: Sofia rules sureley rules. This "ain't over"
siamesedream: All women are beautiful - if there's enough wine to drink ;)
DeepRybka: Magnus is a good defender, not sure if it's so smart to attack him during time trouble
MagnusCarlsberg: come on magnus! naka is overplaying
Ricardo: Zugzwang=coercion or need to move
KnightShift: Sorry guys. you are all wrong. Jamaican Women are the best.
JJuett: Now White gets to play Nd3, covering potentially sore spots c5 and f2. I wonder if Nakamura will regret playing on the kingside instead of just trading c5 for e6. Now Black could possibly be worse if the kingside attack doesn't work out.
ManuelMC: naka is in time trouble?
UnderDog998: well in my case it would be beer but i dont realy feel like walking up and having a heart attack
DrZaius: Destrudo: zug = move, zwang = constraint, necessity
gabrielconroy: 12 moves in 12 seconds
gabrielconroy: minutes even, haha
bakalao: blundermura can appear
ManuelMC: i like blonde women
kickedwithoutreason: imagine blonde nakamura lol, would you like him
kickedwithoutreason: blonedmura
TheBB: 29. Qe4?
DeepRybka: jjuett: I agree
ManuelMC: no way
bakalao: brunette are best
siamesedream: why so much DISCONNECTION?
magnuschess: pfff shut up !!
DeepRybka: magnus is a very good defender, an attack during time trouble could easily backfire
magnuschess: dont talk about girls
JJuett: Good decision for White to trade off a pair of rooks.
UnderDog998: jamaican women are pretty close to latinas
siamesedream: in chess
kickedwithoutreason: why is everybody so polarized take it easy
bakalao: Alexandra Konteniuk is hot
kickedwithoutreason: re2 might also work
Ichi74: Rybka seems to like 29 g3. Isnt it just creating weak squares?
cesarvanelli: now carlsen played g3
Destrudo: I prefer white brunettes, but Spanish women too are incredible
ManuelMC: i like women that play chess
RobKing: so it seems that Magnus was correct in going to an equal position where Naka may overextend
panoc: hey guys here is not chat about women.. lol..
vaughn: hey guys you can switch also on a porn forum
Ichi74: @ JJuett: what's the idea beind g3?
siamesedream: Cmon Naka - give us some red
UnderDog998: ther hair color doesnt realy make much of diffrent whit me. Well as long as it not like green or something
Trond: I think g3 is good because it stops backrank-mates and Nf4 (which would hit on Nd3 defending f2)
ManuelMC: is 0.26 tangible?
cesarvanelli: defending f4?
Stokkeland: preventing blacks use of f4?
MagnusCarlsberg: no, he plays f4 later to take the square infront of the e6 pawn
siamesedream: all draws today guys
davejr1200: Naka is managing his time well now.
gabrielconroy: that knight on d3 is now a beast, giving white's other pieces much more activity
Destrudo: ok this is good, Naka is playing innaccuracies and Magnus is turning it around; all eyes on the genius at work!
Steinwitz: I'm playing chess with a blonde right now, and occasionally she'll beat me. Maybe Carlsen wants to beat Naka three times in one game ...
UnderDog998: eh mcshane vs howell doesnt seem drawish
ManuelMC: 0.28
vasluianuliviu: naka is inacurate this days
Destrudo: can anyone else feel the grip Magnus is slowly taking on the position here? What play does Naka have?
Ichi74: interesting pawn ending between McShane and Howell
bakalao: mcshane - howell was draw before to begin
UnderDog998: well right now mcshane is winning and these GM now ther ending so i think his gona win
Trond: I think it is obvious that Magnus is preparing for getting a better endgame .. and Naka did not know until this tournament about the existence of endgames .. so ..
anandrulez: any engine evals other tahn r2/2
siamesedream: btw O'Sullivan 2 (17) 6 Higgins in semi...
greenknight: Qxd3 trick is sneaky
JJuett: I think Black is probably just needing to sit and wait. The attack didn't work out and he's stuck with the e6 pawn, but the knight on d5 is holding Black's position togethe. Doesn't look terribly dangerous for him yet.
vasluianuliviu: lolz
Trond: chessok.com has a rybka 3 working
Trond: or rybka aquariu, 2010 or whatever :-)
bakalao: naka is doing it well I think
JJuett: Yeah, I guess Re4 comes to mind in order to stop Qxd3.
tanera: Rybka 3 eval is similar to the one shown below
anandrulez: rybka 3 says what ?
Trond: (31. Re4 h6 32. Nc1 Rf8 33. Qe2 Nb4 34. Rd4 Na6 35. Nd3 Nxc5 36. Nxc5 Qxc5 37. Qxe6+ Kh7 38. Qe3 Qc2 39. b3 Qf5 40. Rd6 Rf6 41. Rxf6 Qxf6 {Rybka Aquarium (0:02.58)} {+0.25|d18} {white stands slightly better})
JJuett: 31.Kg1 is also an option, then following up with something different than Kg2 if Black repeats with 31...Qf6
kickedwithoutreason: re4 will be played
siamesedream: Nc1
MagnusCarlsberg: Nc2 to attack a5?
kickedwithoutreason: why did nt carlsen see re4
kickedwithoutreason: hmmm
rcfchess: you mean Nb3?
kickedwithoutreason: am i a grandmaster
vasluianuliviu: and defend d3
MagnusCarlsberg: yes, i meant nc1 nb3
UnderDog998: it gives you it but then it ask an entry code...
greenknight: nc1-b3-d4 i suppose
siamesedream: tic tac...
anandrulez: Engine says peace
ontocaustic: if you are grandmaster what is your assess of the position?
UnderDog998: eh ok so wat the entry code?
siamesedream: 10 moves to play
Hortensius: dead equal
Destrudo: Nc1 is of coourse a move the engines won't like because they don't understand the manouevering needed for this position, which is basically free of tactics
ManuelMC: 5 min for naka now
whinin_boy: dont bet on nakamura on time
ontocaustic: naka will make a time pressure error and magnus will win
ManuelMC: topa would win this
Solartiger: naka in his normal territory now
siamesedream: now he's blitz skills will be useful
Destrudo: I think the knight is headed for d4
UnderDog998: trond wat the entry code for rybka aqua 2010
rcfchess: how much time for Magnus? (can't see w. my computer display)
siamesedream: 17 min
rcfchess: cool
md: 17m
siamesedream: http://www.londonchessclassic.com/live/dgt.htm
siamesedream: Nd3 and repetition
siamesedream: Carlsen still be the leader
ontocaustic: magmus has 15
ManuelMC: Nb3 now?
Trond: yeah .. what I always have said .. Naka plays boring drawish .. chess ... why invite him ???
DaddyOinKY: so many disconnections today
Trond: I do not know any entry-code ..
rcfchess: Nb3 loses to ...Qd5+
vasluianuliviu: d3
Trond: I just get in there .. no problem
rcfchess: loses N
Stokkeland: all blue moves
Stokkeland: pretty high level this game :)
anandrulez: Yeah really and see the clock - time to blitz for Naka
rcfchess: i was answering ManuelMC if Nb3
Destrudo: Ne5-c4d6! looks great for white if he can do it
Ichi74: i see some - in evaluations o.O
dragin: time for black to go on the offensive
JJuett: 32...Nc7! -- nice move. Black answers 33.Nd3 with 33...Rd8!, making use of the cleared d-file.
anandrulez: officially the evals changed in favour of Nakster
Ichi74: seems Naka turned the table...surprises incoming
JJuett: Also Nc7 has the point of coming to c6 to pressure c5.
JJuett: I mean coming to a6.
Ichi74: time trouble, Blundersen incoming
Trond: http://chessok.com/broadcast/?key=london4.pgn&game=0 . is the correct adress to the chessok-page with the other Rybka ..
anandrulez: JJuet what is your take of Nakas play and his position curretnly
anandrulez: currently*
snoopy: carlsen is not in too bad a shape time wise
snoopy: at move 40 new clock
whinin_boy: told u long time ago
Destrudo: Ne5 only move
Trond: in fact I think chessbomb has chnged engine to aquarium, but that is hush hush because chessok do not like it .. so .. but the evals are so alike today ...
JJuett: I think it would be fair to say that Nakamura has been playing more impressively starting about move 20, but Carlsen won the opening dual. Black is a little better here because his pieces are working better together.
ManuelMC: snoopy what did u mean? not in too bad a shape...?
snoopy: i mean he is good
snoopy: expression
zeitgeist: As much as I may be a "Carlsen fan", I wouldn't mind seeing him 0-1 today. C. deserves a spanking in order to learn 1) Take all opponents serious. 2) Spend time wisely. 3) Don't play on time trouble.
snoopy: american
JJuett: oops, I mean"duel" instead of "dual", of course
ManuelMC: ok
dragin: Qe3 most likely here
anandrulez: C seems to have spent time wisely
ManuelMC: i hope carlsen will spank naka
Ichi74: seems both are going nowhere with all this manouvring
anandrulez: compared ot his opponent
vasluianuliviu: at 20 years u can not be very serious, all we went trought that age so i understand him
ontocaustic: naka is the one who needs to learn to not be arrogant
rcfchess: Qg4 possible?!
Ichi74: endless research of an opportunity to translate into a better endgame, but without any appreciable result I must say
rcfchess: oops, forget it
ManuelMC: naka isnt arrogant, waht r u talking about?
JJuett: unfortunately Qg4 just drops the Ne5.
rcfchess: right
Turbo: naka doesnt smile
Rubik: Carlsen under pressure
ontocaustic: he thinks he's bobby fischer
Rubik: Go NAKA!
ManuelMC: -0.32
anandrulez: who ?
siamesedream: no revange for blitz games
dragin: ok, I guess Carlsen wanted to avoid N/K fork
Ichi74: Kg1 horrible
Turbo: naka is a bogey man to magnus
JJuett: Took me a moment to figure out Kg1, but its point is to prepare Nc4 without dropping the night to Qd5+.
ontocaustic: anyway carlsen is hope for humanity against machine, not naka
Trond: don\t leave now turbo, we need you in the zeitnot ahead .
anandrulez: lol , dont think so , machines are clearly supeior to humans now
Ichi74: what's the point behind Nc4? I see just a pawn less on the table...
anandrulez: i would love to see C vs Rybka etc would be cool , lets hope we get sponsors for that soon
ontocaustic: are you saying carlsen isnt human?
Destrudo: Nc4-d6 is strong, and also to unmask an attack on e6. Going by the eval Naka can't hold onto the extra pawn but he's getting good activity in any case
anandrulez: when did I say that dude
Trond: I was afraid of busdrivers as a child because the bogeymans name in norwegian is busse-mann ... (like busman .. ) so ..
ontocaustic: look, carlsen isn't playing your grandma's chess
jotu: to tie up blacks pieces?
JJuett: Not saying I like Kg1, but I guess the point is that there's no way to save c5 anyway at this point. The 31.Nc1?! and 32.Qe2?! plan seems to have backfired.
rcfchess: what's the idea behind ...Qf8?
ManuelMC: 4 more moves to reach time control
Destrudo: to prevent Nd6
3d29: Qf8 guards d6
anandrulez: blitz move , time control ofcouse
anandrulez: Alert : we are entering the blunder zone
rcfchess: Rd1 now?
Trond: Qf8 to allow the fork Nb6 - Nd7 :-)
Paragon: naka with 2 mins for 4 moves
gabrielconroy: crap, carlsen better not lose this
3d29: Nb6 looks pretty sweet
rcfchess: Naka might blunder but won't lose on time, that's for sure
siamesedream: meantime - McShane-Howell 1/2
JJuett: 35.h4! looked a lot better, preparing to meet 35...Rxc5? with 36.g4!, when amazingly every safe square for the queen runs into a knight fork.
greenknight: by the way can you look at this and still criticize carlsen for not playing g4, f4 earlier
JJuett: Hard move to see when low on time, though.
Trond: In Oslo Naka was very good with 2 seconds per move .. and we have all seen him play fast and good at IC so ... so I guess we should not judge too
Paragon: short and ni hua looks like 1/2 as well
dragin: h4 is pretty hard move to find
Trond: much from the timescramble here
Sebi: but if naka dont bluder can we say that carlsen is in the situation to work hard to hold him?
snoopy: greenknight no one was criticising g4 f4
ontocaustic: what is kasparov thinking right now?
RobKing: yes Jjuett i thought of that, but then 35. ... h5
BlunderSuck: Carlsy is thinking about Garry speaking tonight
vipiu: Carlsen can blunder in time pressure also
BlunderSuck: mean spanking
ontocaustic: garry will probably break several wine glasses over carlsen's head for this performance
Rubik: LOL
rcfchess: hey, I predicted a move Rybka didn't see (now watch it turn out to be a blunder, lol)
3d29: nice move by Naka, now he has Nb6 Qb4
snoopy: i think carlsen has played well naka is tricky
greenknight: thats kind of ab litz move too, not sure what to do so occupy the open file
Paragon: magnus with no time left wow
Zeek1: Carlsen has a hard time beating asians.. I don't mean to be politically incorrect, but I've seen it time and time again. lol.
anandrulez: Any probs with time ?
JJuett: True that Black had 35...h5, but I'd still prefer to provoke a weakening move like that before losing the pawn.
anandrulez: engine sys perpetual thats it
anandrulez: Qe8 line
vipiu: Qe5 not easy to spot!
BlunderSuck: 4vs2p on QS, interesting
Destrudo: queen endgame; tricky, bu talmost certainly a draw now I would say
ManuelMC: Jjuet u r way delay
magnuschess: carlsen beat kramnik in the first round , kaspy would thank to him :)
Solartiger: naka falged
JJuett: Yeah, I've got some lag over here.
Solartiger: flagged
BlunderSuck: 38...-cxd5 was stronger!?
greenknight: and this looks blatantly drawn
Rubik: Nostrovia Gary :)
gabrielconroy: really?
zeitgeist: Nothing in this game indicate C. would dominate in a 10 round match. Nakamura handles C well, it seems.
RobKing: he didnt flag
gabrielconroy: shame
Paragon: flagged?
JJuett: Maybe it's Nakamura's turn to play too fast -- 38...cxd5 deseredserious consideration, when 39.Qe5 can be met by 39..Qc5.
gabrielconroy: then it's a draw
ontocaustic: kasparov probably feels his own urine running down his leg after that scramble
kmind0: why this is always disconnecting?
Trond: No flagday today ... sorry guys ...
bakalao: this is not good. why have Carlsen big problems with Naka, Wao?
ManuelMC: why ontocaustic?
Zeek1: ontocaustic...that's hilarious...
JJuett: Perpetual check on the back rank coming now.
greenknight: play too fast.. ? they only just made the time control
dragin: this should be a draw
siamesedream: so all draws today
ManuelMC: does short draw too?
siamesedream: will be soon
Trond: Paragon: The little piece on a check-clock looks like a flag and when it turns over they say flagged in english because of the resemblence to a flag waving in the wind ..
gabrielconroy: why are they even bothering to play this out?
DeepRybka: if black tries to avoid draw by repetition he risks losing losing at least one pawn
ontocaustic: it is a flag, it is a tiny hardened red plastic flag
Trond: but maybe you knew that .. and was asking if someone had been flagged .. hehe ...
dragin: yep, but position would remain about equal nevertheless
ManuelMC: magnus cant crack naka
DeepRybka: after Qf5+ black mustnt play Ke8
Destrudo: that's it
Zeek1: yawn. draw.
tewodrosyif: draw then?
anandrulez: big time draw , all engine moves are draw
gabrielconroy: maybe naka is making the point that carlsen has to force a draw
siamesedream: 1/2 official
ManuelMC: naka is a very though nut to crack
BlunderSuck: MC will not have is RedBull tonight
magnuschess: lucky naka
Trond: he must not, he can go Kg8, Qe6+ Kh8, hurrah ... flagday for other raisins :-)
anandrulez: If you can crack Kramnik , then I dont think anything is impossible
rcfchess: Naka must be happy w. result after opening probs
snoopy: lucky? that was pure chess
Goran: Thank you Jason for the fantastic commentary!
Turbo: carlsen still leads - he has been the best so far
greenknight: you cant go around expecting people to win every game vs 2700s lol
Steinwitz: Naka's 16. ... a5 changed things.
Steinwitz: Thanks Jason agreed, very good commentary
gabrielconroy: yes, maybe carlsen should have gone for 16. a5
Trond: If you can heroine Marilyn Monroe you will get shot by Lee harvey Oswald .
gabrielconroy: it will be interesting to find out if he considered g4
Goran: and thank you all for joining, see you tomorrow for the 5th round
ontocaustic: both sides leave mutually unspanked, disappointing
tahlbrazilian: wonderfull game
rcfchess: s/b interesting to read both their blogs
anandrulez: Thanks see you all
ManuelMC: unspanked lmao!!
Steinwitz: I think Carlsen fell in love with taunting Naka with that Knight-fork of his rooks ... his game froze up then
JJuett: Thanks. See everybody tomorrow.
rcfchess: Naka's exceptionally resourceful when under pressure
gabrielconroy: is there any coverage of post match analysis anywhere?
rcfchess: crouching tiger
ManuelMC: crouching tiger and hidden dragon?
rcfchess: not so hidden!
greenknight: its difficult to believe white had no better options to progress in the midgame than exchanging both bishops off, but we will see in the postmortem
Trond: sjakkhuset.no .. but it is in norwegian
BlunderSuck: No pokemon for magnus tonight
gabrielconroy: where is the postmortem?
gabrielconroy: is that a video of carlsen doing the postmortem?
gabrielconroy: there was one of his analysis of his win against kramnik
ManuelMC: howell is the dear
DeepRybka: magnus hasnt done too well in the last two rounds, it still plays a bit too fast in certain positions, and perhaps particularly against lower rated players
DeepRybka: "it" -> "he" :)
greenknight: 19 Rac1... then what. the black knights are controlling the squares where bishops would be posted to attack the kingside, whites queenside pawns are blockced
gabrielconroy: too much time with deep rybka ;)
Trond: chessbase.com or (maybe earlier) susanpolgar.com (go to the blog) tells when there is videos up
greenknight: ah. the secret is out. magnus is actually a computer :p
gabrielconroy: polgar's blog, good idea