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• 3d29: hi
• Zeblakob80: hi
• Che: how many more minutes?
• coelocanth: about 30
• steuba: and now ?
• euldulle: start at 15 UTC ?
• Pam: 15:00 GMT
• Pam: in 15 min
• DrKnowNothing: is that 10am NY time
• OnePly: yup
• OnePly: 9am here in Texas :)
• DrKnowNothing: i am actually in cicago
• DrKnowNothing: where it is 9 am also
• OnePly: what's the temp there now?
• DrKnowNothing: 35
• OnePly: yikes
• DrKnowNothing: oh thats latter now it is 30 cloudy 5 mph winds
• OnePly: I enjoy visiting my friend in Milwaukee. But after a week of that winter, I'm ready to return to texas!
• DrKnowNothing: y not visit in summer ten
• DrKnowNothing: then
• OnePly: I enjoy the winter. Just not 4-5 months of it! :-D
• DrKnowNothing: it is only bad for about 3 months
• Pam: 3 min left
• DrKnowNothing: dec jan feb
• DrKnowNothing: chicago sucks for cess
• DrKnowNothing: chess
• OnePly: yeah?
• OnePly: I would expect a decent club in sch a big city
• OnePly: such*
• DrKnowNothing: The Chicago Open is not even in chicago, it is like an our away
• DrKnowNothing: hour
• OnePly: 1.e4!!
• OnePly: let's see a Sicilian brawl
• DrKnowNothing: all big chicago tourneys are like an hour away, and ther is no way to bus or train it you must have a car
• DrKnowNothing: i hate chicago
• OnePly: :-(
• anandrulez: go go big topa
• OnePly: Bc1 Nf6 1/1
• OnePly: 1/2
• OnePly: :)
• Matousek: shall we dance?
• Pam: Go Grischuk!
• OnePly: Weaver Adams!
• anandrulez: Spider is not playing here
• anandrulez: Thats Topa for u
• anandrulez: g4 !
• BlondeQueen: i think topa is playing the dumb in tis tournament. he wants to make anand relax
• komyt: Dumb - maybe. Exciting - always...
• ULTRAMODERNIST: tfunny stuff bc1!
• Turbo: i wonder what anand will be accused of when he plays in sofia? Stealing chocolates from children maybe?
• OnePly: He should eat a huge plate of curry before the game and arrive w/out having brushed his teeth
• Turbo: he will need 24 bodyguards and a big team of lawyers and a bullet proof limousine - if he wants to get out of there alive
• ULTRAMODERNIST: oh i just got back Um with u guys! haha
• BlondeQueen: why do they play in bulgaria/ couldn't they choose a neutral country?
• OnePly: The head of FIDE is a bloodthirsty tyrant
• anandrulez: Anand doesntt seem to care about the place and not worrie about Rybkalov
• BohemianRhapsody: hi
• OnePly: Beeeelzebub has a devil put aside for meee, for mee, for MEEEEE
• 3d29: well by the 60-70 mindset, players should be worried that the other player has a chip running rybka 4.5 in their head...
• 3d29: which isn't impossible...
• greenknight: both players will be disqualified and the title awarded to Kirsan
• ULTRAMODERNIST: yall funny!
• greenknight: what the hell is th is Be3 Ng4 Bc1 Nf6?
• pantev_tsvetelin: theory :)
• komyt: From Dominguez-Grischuk, Moscow 2009, 0-1
• komyt: but Topa's 10. Nde2 here is a novelty, Dominguez played Nb3 and lost
• Skylark: im glad that white played 8. h3
• Skylark: if white wanted a fast draw he could have had it then
• BlunderSuck: they will play in a military building in Sofia
• BohemianRhapsody: hi pam
• Novice007: After Nde2 what about Bishop takes pawn at g4?
• Novice007: Is it too dubious?
• rodrigol: Blacks lost the bishop and open lines agaist the king
• rodrigol: against
• Novice007: i mean if pawn takes bishop then knight takes pawn with double attack on f2
• Novice007: after 10. Bxg4
• rodrigol: yes
• rodrigol: perhaps 11 Be3
• Novice007: hmm 3 pawns for a knight.......
• greenknight: white's position seems full of weak squares to me, but then this opening tends to disintegrate into chaos
• Novice007: the engines dont suggest it ..may b not gud
• Zeblakob80: hi, heil, salut, salam, shalum, bonaserra.
• greenknight: hi zeb
• Kaosso: guten tag zeblakob
• 3d29: Zeb: say "oi" in portuguese
• Zeblakob80: oi.
• 3d29: thanks!
• greenknight: how is that different in portuguese...
• Apocalyptico: diga zeblako
• BlunderSuck: more passion in partuguese
• Kaosso: and a .
• greenknight: oooooooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
• KOCMOHABT: I liked the idea 10 ... Bxg4
• Apocalyptico: I am Brazilian
• Zeblakob80: the line played is strange .
• rodrigol: Bx g4 hx g4 N x g4 Be3,N x e3 F x e3 Q x e3 R h3
• Zeblakob80: each side is delaying casteling, deciding later in which wing ..
• BlunderSuck: Brazil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB7hXbqQwA
• Apocalyptico: hahaha
• Apocalyptico: Brazil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K0oqGu8Haw
• medajig: 10. Nde2 is new
• pro6: fala gentes
• pro6: ;)
• Apocalyptico: so rola brasileiros aki
• pro6: putz
• BlunderSuck: Yeah I knew that Metallica genre is popular there, prefer the beach and the sun ;o)
• pro6: tao invadindo tudo
• Apocalyptico: Metallica ; )
• Apocalyptico: Apocalyptica
• stelling: @BlunderSuck:you cah have both, actually. ;)
• OnePly: Obey your Master - Master!
• Zeblakob80: Question: who is the curent WTC?
• greenknight: wtc?
• OnePly: World Toepicking Champion?
• Zeblakob80: no
• KOCMOHABT: world trade center?
• Zeblakob80: no
• KOCMOHABT: hehe
• Zeblakob80: World Toilets Champion
• KOCMOHABT: ah, ok
• greenknight: rybka
• Zeblakob80: hi hi no
• Apocalyptico: go topa!
• Zeblakob80: Many peaople are sking why Toplaov is under the managmenet if the WTC ..
• Zeblakob80: of the ..
• greenknight: I dont understand this game at all
• Zeblakob80: May be the idea of Qd2 is keep the 2 options of K-Q castle
• tjallen: By our Rybka below, that was a loss of .32 for Grishchuk, maybe a ?
• greenknight: well i guess white wanted to attack d6, but
• bimwi: g5 looks very strange to me
• greenknight: i dunno why black needs to play g5 (discourage f4?)
• tjallen: maybe discourage Qf4?
• greenknight: why Qf4?
• OnePly: Black plays ...g5 in some Keres Attack lines to fight for center dark squares... but in those lines, White's QB is on the c1-h6 diag... here it seems a bit different
• tjallen: d6 pawn again with Ba3 and 0-0-0
• BlunderSuck: It's because there is a award for the strangest game of the tournament
• tjallen: hey I'm just guessing, g5 was a mystery to me too
• Steinwitz: g5 is nice - keeps the Knight in the stable.
• greenknight: Nf4 didn't threaten anything though
• OnePly: one idea of ...g5 is to secure e5 for a N
• OnePly: not so much to prevent White's Nf4
• siamesedream: Sasha wanted 3-fold?
• greenknight: ah ok, theres the knight move
• Zeblakob80: A great battle is coming ..
• tjallen: opposite sides castling?
• Steinwitz: See the stable?
• OnePly: I doubt we'll see Black castling this game :)
• greenknight: well there might be a bunch of exchanges after Bxd6
• Zeblakob80: Black does need to castle
• tjallen: d6 seems the weakness for b
• greenknight: it can't really be sensibly defended but he can eat f2
• Zeblakob80: I prefer Black's position, after Bd7 Rc8
• anandrulez: as per the engines , black didnt manage to get a counter and now white has a edge
• anandrulez: it was almost 0.00 to -ve few moves back
• anandrulez: seems like topa has escaped with his g5 idea!
• democratico: boa tarde povão!!!!!
• Zeblakob80: engines are out of play I guess, ...because ..
• democratico: rsrsrsrs
• Apocalyptico: péssima tarde.
• Zeblakob80: how do you compare milions of positions in a GM head with a brute computation of 7 moves by an engine??
• Novice007: A nominal 0.27 doesn't really mean much
• KOCMOHABT: Now Grishuk should move only when 25 min remain
• Zeblakob80: The point is that Rybka does not see any thing after the 8th move !!! completely blind ..
• KOCMOHABT: zzzzzz
• Novice007: But Topalov luks ahead in development plus Qb6 is hindering the usual b5
• democratico: qp pessima apocli....
• CruyffTurn: black controls the dark-squares...
• CruyffTurn: and White controls the light squares
• tjallen: I don't see where G's Ne5 is supposed to be going
• greenknight: the dark squares arent really controlled
• greenknight: because the d6 pawn that supports them is weak
• CruyffTurn: okay, ''control" is a little strong, but the Ne5 and g5 pawn are strong
• valmy: hello
• balibaloche: hello
• valmy: MAX won Aeroflot blitz
• Zeblakob80: salut the french
• Novice007: It will be a while before Grischuk moves i guess..time to follow the other games :P
• balibaloche: yes
• greenknight: there was blitz?
• valmy: YEs a qualifier for the World blitz Championship
• randi: i think grischuk will eventually compete for the world championship again, in a match hopefully
• valmy: Oh lord who created all ioncluding LINARES tournament, give us our 3 daily draw, thank you
• greenknight: vallejo-gashimov is heating up
• greenknight: grischuk will take forever to move so ;p
• BlunderSuck: Linares suck vs Corus (this year)
• Gowe: No doubt about it. No carlsen: no fun.
• BlunderSuck: Topalov, who has his WCC match after
• medajig: Corus is the best so far in 2010
• BlunderSuck: Vallejo, who used to be Topalov’s second
• Gowe: There almost no people watching this tournament. At least on Chessbomb
• BlunderSuck: Aronian, with no real pressure, who intends to observe others players, play wth opportunity but with no real risks, waiting for the next candidate cycle where he will be real contender
• greenknight: aronian is off form
• BlunderSuck: Gelfand : always solid, and same as Aronian, he will play, but will not desesperately seek for more.
• greenknight: he's getting promising positions but letting the pressure off
• BlunderSuck: Grischuk and Gashimov : the real contenders heren big hopes upon them and they want to improve and to prove their worthiness for the future.
• greenknight: it seems lots of players peak at 2750-2760 then drop back so its hard to say who is the real deal
• randi: grischuk is strong
• greenknight: they're all strong - just a question of who can keep playing at that level consistently
• randi: lately, kramnik and carlsen going at it every time they play, it would be nice to see them here
• greenknight: yeah its becoming a classic matchup already
• greenknight: + the random trash talk makes things more fun
• greenknight: omg Grischuk moved
• Zeblakob80: Qxg2 looes apiece
• siamesedream: to the toilet
• balibaloche: no
• medajig: kramnik is campaigning to regain his title
• siamesedream: he must have live more than 100 years to regain it
• BlunderSuck: that the problem, if you don't have the "real deal" in a 6 players event, than you have this
• greenknight: they need more players is the trouble, with 7 games you're guaranteed some exciting ones
• medajig: this is all force move for black
• tjallen: There's not a lot of excess money for prizes at the moment
• randi: thats the only problem, money
• randi: if the prize was big probably they'd risk more
• BlunderSuck: I am missing 4-5 weeks tournaments with 14 players (old russia school way) lol
• medajig: Carlsen will participate in the next 2011 Linares though..
• BlunderSuck: yes money
• greenknight: one would think that with how international chess is becoming, there would be more sources of sponsorship
• greenknight: maybe if FIDE was less shit
• Kaosso: well everything is become more international, so that equals things
• siamesedream: let the crisis finish
• greenknight: 15 years ago, it was a bunch of russians with similar names ;p
• siamesedream: Ka...ov
• randi: i guess sponsorship will come when there's somebody who can emulate kasparov's or fischer's success
• randi: maybe carlsen
• waustad: Now former Sovs live all over the planet.
• siamesedream: there must be Russian blood in Carslen too
• greenknight: fireworks
• tjallen: We can dream of American colleges putting millions of $ into chess (brain food) and instead they invest it in football (brain concussions and reduced IQ) - wheres the justice?
• siamesedream: I dont expect Topalov to play such chess here
• greenknight: white will respond to Qxg2 by sacrificing another piece
• siamesedream: and perpetual?
• Zeblakob80: The finanical fund of the WCC = the salar of an average FOttbal player / month...
• waustad: The Russians have more Swedish that Norwegian influence. If you look at the Varangians, they were vikings from Sweden.
• greenknight: well Qxg2 Nxe6 fxe6 Qxe6+ and Kd8 Qxe5 or Kf8 Rf1+ both give a strong attack
• Zeblakob80: the problem lies on the popularity of chess ..
• siamesedream: Carlsen is also Wijk-ing
• greenknight: well that and FIDE being shit.
• BlunderSuck: Topa doctor gave him some valium to prevent is taste for fireworks
• Skylark: vouch
• Skylark: FIDE has ruined chess forever
• siamesedream: Kasparov for FIDE president! ;)
• greenknight: if they werent seen as being corrupt...
• randi: i agree zeblakob
• valmy: "The finanical fund of the WCC = the salar of an average FOttbal player / month..." No, average soccer player makes, I think, 200 000 € a month, but right, WCC coast nothing compared to soccer
• Skylark: if they weren't genuinely corrupt... it was a great idea in its formulation but it has become a monstrousity..
• Zeblakob80: The manner by which FIDE devise the prize fund is dubious ...
• BlunderSuck: Yeah when I read Kasparov autobiography, I understand fast anough tha he hate FIDE behavior
• Skylark: if all the top players made a stand against FIDE something could be done
• randi: @valmy: a good football player in mexico earns more money than any chessplayer
• Skylark: like kasparov short wc matches outside of FIDE
• greenknight: ajkdhfjh it looks like grischuk can defuse the complicatoins by these queen exchange threats
• randi: yes
• valmy: We agree RANDI, but he brings much more money too (sponsorship, entry fee's ,TV rigths, advertising, that's life in a capitalistic world
• greenknight: the queens have swapped from active positions to hide behind their own pawns lol
• tjallen: Grischuk has managed to rid himself of the d6 weakness
• BlunderSuck: I am consider myself as Joe average, and if Kasparov (with all media attention he had) didn't exist, I wouldn't probably be here today on a chess website chatting
• randi: maybe chessplayers should think of a better way to "sell" themselves, consider this, all top 5 live in Western europe, they could find some way to atract more attention
• 187: randi - rapid is the future
• randi: could be
• medajig: they should invite Rybka then.. :)
• randi: lol
• 187: broadcasting of rapid games by Tv - maybe its the way to earn some money)
• BlunderSuck: Yeas, rapid chess is very impressive to watch for Joe Average
• Zeblakob80: It is thanks to Dainalov that chess is promoted ..
• valmy: Randi, you are a dreamer, chess doesn't interest anyone. LINARES in one of the strongest tournament of the year. How many people are watching? It is slow 'rapids games are slow too) , many peaople doesn't even know the rules, the one who know the rules
• tjallen: For the general public, it might be like seeing professors compete to solve calculus problems
• Steinwitz: Most people get confused adding up dice
• valmy: doesn't understant GM move, and there are those bloody draw by agreement,
• tjallen: Oh look, he's squared both sides of the equation, and now divides by phi
• valmy: soocer is easy and spectacular...
• valmy: no draw offer in soccer
• BlunderSuck: Nicest WGM should promote chess with strip-chess on TV
• randi: i am a dreamer but i also think that what fischer did for the chess world can be improved in the coming years
• greenknight: lol
• 187: it should be something like deathmatch - if you loose then everyone will hit tou etc - this show will get great tv rating)
• valmy: Randi do you look at draught or Go?
• gabrielconroy: who cares, we all know what an amazing game chess is
• greenknight: ok of course chess wont have the mass appeal of football, but with internet you can promote stuff to a niche
• greenknight: ie people who know how the piecs move
• Steinwitz: Joseki
• Zeblakob80: We need great men like Dainalov to promote chess.
• siamesedream: yeah - Secret diary of a female chess player would be nice show
• BlunderSuck: lol
• randi: no of course not
• BlunderSuck: Big brothers chess -they solve their differents with a chess game instead of bitching at each others
• BlunderSuck: I think it would be a real flop lol
• waustad: Players like Carlsen and So have a lot of fans. I don't know how much income a lot of 13 year olds in the Phillipines generate, but Carlsen seems to be doing alright. That is the exception though.
• siamesedream: chess won't be as popular as football or soccer or other similar games cause its to difficult to understand and too difficult to follow
• greenknight: there'd be a fight over who gets to use the toilet.
• Steinwitz: One female chess player does all her wins in slo-mo replay
• valmy: So Randi, I assume you follow soccer, so you have the answer to your question
• BlunderSuck: lol
• medajig: well carlsen was ask in an interview..why he chose chess, that chess is not popular to women, so carlsen has no girlfriend?
• siamesedream: his gf is Caissa
• gabrielconroy: i'm sure he could easily get a girlfriend if he wanted
• randi: @valmy: both Grischuk and Skripchenko are poker players and they get a lot of respect as well as sponsorship outside chess, they do well in both and atract media attention
• BlunderSuck: In the Ottawa citizen Shirov did the headline because he lost (blundered) againts a 12 years old
• gabrielconroy: he's a millionaire celebrity, big news in norway
• siamesedream: with such bank account he will find one easily ;)
• gabrielconroy: also a genius
• BlunderSuck: but if he had win, this story would never do the headline
• medajig: well i bet he is...
• randi: + i didnt ask anything
• Novice007: HE can find many actually:P
• greenknight: cause the GM is expected to win in a simul, so its not news if they do ;p
• siamesedream: Shirov also lost to 16 yo in Ottava simul
• valmy: Chess is as popular as Curling let's say, there is nothing that can be done
• tjallen: Perhaps there are ways to show the general public what is happening, charts of square control, running graph of machine evals, some stats like area under control over time, available moves, etc
• greenknight: chess is obviously more popular than curling
• BlunderSuck: yes but a stronger player u16 Canadian champion
• gabrielconroy: haha i can imagine someone who doesn't play chess finding that idea hilariously boring, tjallen
• valmy: No greenknight I don't think so
• BlunderSuck: Not in Canada, curling is ahead
• siamesedream: Who after long day at work would like to follow such games?
• greenknight: i'll bet 100x more people know the rules of chess
• randi: yes it is
• tjallen: oh well, gc!
• Steinwitz: Chess will become more popular now, because of all the young players at the top
• siamesedream: chess should be in Vancouver Games now
• greenknight: curling has interest in like 1 or 2 countries
• valmy: Yes right, but they don't watch chess event, that's it chess is a hobby but no more for peaple
• 187: I just want to watch curling but it goes live at 4 am in my time belt)
• tjallen: we finally have our opposite sides castling and lots of pieces left on the board
• greenknight: infact there's a lot of sports that only get publicity once every 4 years really
• siamesedream: Sasha's short of time again
• greenknight: trouble from white's point of view is the queen is in such a passive positin
• rodrigol: oul
• 187: wow
• greenknight: well, one can't accuse Topalov of playing boringly.
• medajig: a sacrifice?
• waustad: He did it!
• medajig: hehe... he answered your call
• rodrigol: !
• siamesedream: he;s playing for little Chucky time trouble?
• Skylark: don't trust the computer here imo
• siamesedream: remember Corus start for Anand, guys?
• Skylark: psychologically white will get more than enough compensation let alone what's on the board
• 187: d16 -0,5
• greenknight: yeah well, especially with having 24 minutes for 20 moves
• gabrielconroy: !
• randi: @valmy: i hear what youre saying but i still think people around chess could achieve more if they think outside the box
• siamesedream: hope its not relay error ;)
• Skylark: I'm just glad topalov isn't doing what anand did at corus
• siamesedream: agree
• rodrigol: i'm,too
• cashparov: according to rybka the move is objectively a blunder
• siamesedream: and hope he will play such chess in WCh match and he will win
• gabrielconroy: wow, bold move
• greenknight: fortunately rybka isn't playing this game.
• rodrigol: agree
• siamesedream: rybka does not measure psychological effect (it would be at leat +
• siamesedream: +3)
• Skylark: looking at many of the famous tal sacrifices i bet if they had rybka at the time he wouldn't have had such glowing reviews about his play... this game isnt between engines lol
• Zeblakob80: The point is that the knight sac exposes the B king after h4. The sac is positionally sound, I guess.
• siamesedream: pretty fast move'
• gabrielconroy: well grischuk goes for it
• gabrielconroy: gobbles up the bait
• Novice007: it was forced move
• sammour: what bait we still have to see the plan
• greenknight: no doubt he doesnt like the idea of Nd6 if he doens't take it
• Skylark: if nothing else it will make interesting watching.. i think topalov had Nd5 in mind now
• siamesedream: was it Trojan horse? lets see
• Skylark: given the strenght of black's knights it might be difficult for white to prove the soundness of his sac here i think
• cashparov: yes, of course, the move has psychological and time pressure value
• sammour: Nd5 is coming up but when?
• Skylark: delaying is bad i think
• 187: yeah - nd5
• Skylark: If not straight away black can play Nf6 and trade
• siamesedream: i dont expect draw here
• medajig: -0.54 according to Rybka 3, we cannot trust computer evaluation here...
• greenknight: well these risky sacrifices are part of topalov style
• sammour: rybka is just a stupid inhuman computer
• valmy: Interesting
• tjallen: Is there something on a1-h8 coming
• 187: we can - every sac is leading to some advantage
• gabrielconroy: no not at all, besides it's clearly not a tactical sac so this rybka on depth 14 is never going to evaluate it properly
• Zeblakob80: very game of Topa is interesting
• Novice007: black is playing without a8 rook..topa needs to open up with h4 quickly
• BlondeQueen: why do you call a sacrifice a sac? i thought a sac meant stealing a piece
• Skylark: without risk there would be no wins or losses these days... super gms just play too damn accurately
• Skylark: sac is short for sac
• Skylark: er
• Skylark: sac is short for "sac"rifice
• greenknight: helpful explanation there skylark =p
• Skylark: a stroke of genius >.>
• sammour: certainly not Qd6
• BlondeQueen: it was for me :-( thanks skylarc
• valmy: Grish is low on time
• d_ahura: a stroke at least :)
• sammour: might go to c5
• siamesedream: still "minus:
• d_ahura: h4 directky might be playable here
• sammour: h4
• d_ahura: instead of exf5
• sammour: is very aggressive
• greenknight: Grischuk is wisely playing fast now before seroius complications start
• siamesedream: - half point
• medajig: Grischuk is playing precisely
• balibaloche: positional sac
• Novice007: grischuk will activate rook via a6
• gabrielconroy: ja
• gabrielconroy: h4 looks good
• mueller: topalov lost this
• gabrielconroy: only move that makes sense really
• gabrielconroy: he has to play actively
• balibaloche: but topa will go to hte king
• gabrielconroy: Kb1 just looks horrific
• siamesedream: no need to rush
• Zeblakob80: very game of Topa is interesting
• medajig: h4 is -0.34
• gabrielconroy: i'd say there is a need to rush
• siamesedream: he's got 1 hour
• gabrielconroy: oh right, i thought you meant in terms of the moves
• BlondeQueen: why is topa thinking so long? if he did the sac he must have ad a plan
• KOCMOHABT: 20 min for 17 moves... Grischuk's time is nice today
• Novice007: lol
• d_ahura: thing is that one might play it positionally or possibly as an attacking move by white 23. h4 looked tasty to my tactical eye
• medajig: he can go to the toilet and sleep there for a moment.. :P
• mueller: this tournament, lots of them have had awful time management it seems
• tjallen: The Bc8 is stuck, useless, G is playing a B down
• Skylark: a5 looks inaccurate..
• 187: Cosmo - where are u from
• gabrielconroy: i can't see him playing anything other than h4
• Novice007: topa wud have played quickly if kamsky was on the oother side :P
• gabrielconroy: a5 looks reasonable
• greenknight: theres no point rushing the opponent *now*
• d_ahura: e5 has an idea. But methinks it's to slow
• d_ahura: *a5
• greenknight: maybe later when there are complicatoins at move 35 it makes sense to push them on the clock
• siamesedream: from chessdom
• siamesedream: Grischuk rather quickly found a good plan, a5 has both attacking (a4, axb3) and defending (Ra6 operating on the 6th rank) purposes.
• Skylark: white's knight on d5 is truly a beautiful piece... it controls f6, e7, e3 and c3 and is as solid as a rock... worth giving up a piece to have? I guess we'll see
• d_ahura: a5 looks good but I think it fails from being too slow
• Zeblakob80: o.)
• Zeblakob80: o.O
• Skylark: the problem with a5 is that grish may regret not having used that tempo on something to stem white's initiative
• Turbo: what has topalov got for his piece?
• Novice007: such as?
• siamesedream: now its only -0.2
• rodrigol: Topalov's sacrifice just remember the magician of riga
• Zeblakob80: does h4 a4 hxg axb work for B ????
• d_ahura: topalov has total domination over the centre as well as black pieces tripping each other up
• sammour: Rde1 wins the knight
• Skylark: turbo: aside from the massive diagonal for hist Bg2 and a strong posting of his Nd5, he has a kingside pawn storm and potential threats with his queen on the long diagonal as well
• Skylark: even my crappy engine at depth 16 is giving this position at least equal a pawn down though both players will need to be accurate of course
• Steinwitz: Topalov will play f6
• tjallen: Plus black can't move his b7, his Bc8 nor his Nd7
• Turbo: i see yes thank you
• siamesedream: h4 he will play
• mworld: i think a5 was to defend against b4 and possibly getting the queen off the a3/f8 diagonal
• Skylark: rockin
• Skylark: gischuk i think is in deep poo
• siamesedream: h4!
• Skylark: with a capital p
• Skylark: for poo
• tjallen: lovely annotation, sky
• Skylark: Nxg4 may be best here
• d_ahura: a5 probably borked blacks position
• siamesedream: gh
• balibaloche: after gxh4 eKnight can't move
• greenknight: trouble with Nxg4 is it opens up the diagonal a1-h8
• tjallen: no fear from Grischuk
• Skylark: greenknight: to be followed by Nde5 to try and unblock his qside pieces
• Skylark: now it's going to be very hard to do that
• Steinwitz: Grishuk can handle it. Topalov will try to double rooks on the h-file
• mueller: the best way to refute a sac is to accept it.
• mueller: so he has to make topalov prove his sac was worth it
• sammour: Rxh4 Qf2 for black
• Skylark: topalove has 3x as much clock time to prove it!
• siamesedream: Kb1
• Novice007: no Ra6
• d_ahura: Rxh4 and then Qf2 ?? Rxh6! wins
• Skylark: hrm Kb1!? is a paradoxical move and rather anti-human
• sammour: I still think that Rde1 is coming up
• gabrielconroy: yeah Kb1 is just ridiculous, not going to happen
• greenknight: only computers play that
• 187: rde1 nd3 and white lose
• Skylark: the computer likes it though!
• d_ahura: Kb1 isn't so anti human since Nd3+ is a very real therat in some variations
• balibaloche: Kb1 free dRook but it's not intersting now
• Steinwitz: Computer sees a prophylactid if a rook gets to h6, I guess. Very unhuman
• Skylark: more like an anti-amateur move, that kind of prophylaxis is exactly why these guys are top players and i'm still moving pieces of wood at the local club haha
• gabrielconroy: well let's see if Topalov the pro plays Kb1
• Steinwitz: Keeping the King off the c1-h6 diagonal
• sammour: Rxh4 then Be4 than Rde1
• sammour: then pee break
• gabrielconroy: strange that rybka is putting Rxh4 as top while giving it a worse eval than Kb1
• gabrielconroy: maybe even it knows in its heart that it's against the spirit of the position
• randi: if Kb1 then rybka will change its eval
• Skylark: i have the same verstion of rybka to a much further depth and it's saying a different story
• Skylark: ie -+ .20
• balibaloche: Be4 look strong
• Skylark: well that's only 3 moves difference actually
• Novice007: i think topa dint see a5 in his initial calculation ..noe he is taking time]
• Novice007: now
• randi: the problem for grischuk is that the bishop wont play for a long time
• sammour: c4 sounds goodto protect the knightand release the bishop
• sammour: but after Rxh4
• nir: I think that black could move something like Ra6 if needed, that way he doesn't need to move the bishop
• sammour: i mean white to move his bishop
• randi: the bichop on c8 isn't playing
• Skylark: as expected...
• BlunderSuck: Rybka Aqua give 25. Kb1 a4 {Rybka Aquarium (0:00.03)} {+0.00|d16}
• Skylark: really Kb1 is quite a non-human move
• BlunderSuck: very funny IMO
• randi: gris is playing very accurately
• BlunderSuck: Okay now i prefer black lol
• BlunderSuck: not I but he (rybka aqua)
• gabrielconroy: is there any way to get a fen of this position?
• Skylark: any other move was actually better for white
• Skylark: Ra6 was essentially the only move
• tjallen: now b7 pawn can move
• BlunderSuck: Hat off for them, that a interesting game!
• mworld: gabriel: i dont think so, you'd have to copy moves and paste in as pgn probably to get your fen
• Skylark: this may be more difficult for white to play now
• shaktimaan: doubling the rooks and g5 works?
• Steinwitz: Capablanca and Lasker playing here?
• BlunderSuck: lol
• Zeblakob80: Capablanca= BORING
• Skylark: shaktimaan; any rook movement (ie Rdh1??) loses to Nd3+
• shaktimaan: o ya
• Skylark: capablanca is awesome
• BlunderSuck: capablanca is not a city name?
• mueller: thats casablanca
• BlunderSuck: I could'nt resist lol
• sammour: Bf4 ensures that knight cannot go to Nd3
• Steinwitz: Capablanca has the highest winning average of any world champ, with wonderful games
• mueller: 2b2rk/1p1n1p/r6p/p1qNnP/6PR/1P/PQP3B/2KR
• Skylark: his games are very easy to grasp and really do help with developing planning and strategy imo
• greenknight: drawpablanca sucks and is a computer assisted cheat
• Zeblakob80: Alekhine crashed him in complicated positions.
• balibaloche: why not g5 ? what after ?
• Skylark: zeblak: he got lazy because he won so easily; it's kind of understandable
• Zeblakob80: That's one of his deep secrets
• randi: both knights on d5 and e5 are good pieces
• Skylark: balibloche: g5 hxg5 and then what? Rh3 g4 Rc3 and white is gonna get smashed
• sammour: g5 will come after be4
• Steinwitz: +331 -46 =255 (72.5%)*
• tjallen: the Ne5 needs its Nd7 and the Nd5 needs its Rd1
• greenknight: what isn't well known is that he owned a chess computer built by aliens in 4000 BC previously owned by Morphy
• 187: qf2
• Skylark: too late
• sammour: about time he moved the king
• Skylark: too late now
• sammour: and a lot of time too
• tjallen: the stinger ...Nd3 is gone
• bheller: isn't that move a little bit strange now?
• Zeblakob80: he pleyed Kh1 because he wants to play Rdh1 othersie there is Nd3
• BlunderSuck: too late for computer move
• Zeblakob80: Kb1
• greenknight: this move order is more intuitive
• balibaloche: another sac ?
• Skylark: Qf2 will win another piece though!
• sammour: stupid Rybka first he wants Kb1 and now he considers it weak move!!!!!!
• mworld: top better pray he doesn't find qf2
• BlunderSuck: lol
• greenknight: maybe it's a bluff
• gabrielconroy: ooooops
• gabrielconroy: Firebird seemed to think that Rh3 was the only move
• randi: i told yu it would change its eval if Kb1
• Steinwitz: He's seen Qf2 and is wondering what he's not seeing, since it seems too incredible
• Skylark: Nf5 was actually a solid sac too, it'd be a shame if top didn't win after such inventive play
• BlunderSuck: Ryb Aqua is less pessimist
• Skylark: I think these days play like this aught to be rewarded in itself
• tjallen: ...Qf2 Ne7+ Kh7 Be4 and then f6 and Grischuk is toast
• Zeblakob80: Toplaov is not in great shape, I am wondering if he can break Annad
• randi: not forced
• BlunderSuck: 26. Rh3 {} Qf2 27. Ne7+ Kg7 28. Rxd7 f6 29. Rd1 Qxg2 30. Qc3 Re8 31. Qe3 Nf7 32. Rg1 Qxh3 33. Qxh3 Rxe7 34. Kb1 Rc6 35. c4 Rd6 {Rybka Aquarium (0:02.59)} {-0.44|d16
• mworld: eval of Kb1 is only different now because of rook being on h4 instead of h1 and blacks qf2 accordingly
• Jupp53: When did Topalov play his last tournament? I'm following chess after a pause of 20 years since one and a half year about and never noticed him play. So he might be out of serious training otb.
• BlunderSuck: forget last line sorry
• Steinwitz: Nanjing
• BlondeQueen: told you e is playing the dumb. otherwise anand doesn't even need to go to sophia
• Zeblakob80: there is puzzle: Karpov=OTB, Kramnik=ATT, Kasparov = AAH
• BlunderSuck: Topa is playing fantasy chess
• greenknight: anand wasnt really trying very hard in corus except I suppose to make a point against kramnik
• bheller: ^o_o^: Maybe topalov found a new way to not show anand his preparation:-)
• mworld: bam
• greenknight: i'm sure both see Qf2 but maybe topalov missd something
• gabrielconroy: Rh2
• tjallen: here we go!
• balibaloche: I think topa forgot that Qf2 protected f6
• tjallen: attack or lose!
• Skylark: i don't know that you guys are being real fair on topa lol
• Skylark: the initial knight sac was quite strong, he just followed it up incorrectly
• BlunderSuck: This is what happens when you tried to play fancy sofia draw rules (jerking around lol)
• BlunderSuck: let's see if he can save the game
• greenknight: well I liked Nf5. This is why I like topalov as a player in spite of the controversy
• cashparov: Danailov's cell phone broke down and he couldn't call Cheparinov for the rybka analysis
• Zeblakob80: Danailov is a great manager and ..
• Steinwitz: Check out Topa studying the board: http://linares10.soloajedrez.com/webcam/index.html
• cashparov: Topalov on his own
• Zeblakob80: cashparov, Dainalov is the current WTC.
• ArcticStones3: This is beautiful! :)
• Skylark: Kh7 Qxe5!! Nxe5 Rxh6!! Kxh6 Ng6!! and black will not only resign, but resign life and hang himself for not being in the same brilliant league as his opponent
• tjallen: Grischuk fighting off Topalov's knight sac
• greenknight: lol
• mworld: definitely the type of game I like to watch
• balibaloche: I love this game ;)
• Skylark: man i would wet myself if grish played Kh8 here, although he's played very accurately so far
• tjallen: Six moves ago, Topalov sac'ed his knight. Now it's the prove it time
• BlunderSuck: yes this game can change in 1 move (great)
• ArcticStones3: Time may yet prove a factor.
• gabrielconroy: not much chance of that, kh7 is definitely the natural move
• greenknight: surely walking into the pin on g7 and h8 doesn't look good in practice
• BlunderSuck: Topa is showing Anand, that he will need more than a computer to be prepared...but Anand is old school too ;o)
• greenknight: but, he's thinking about it so
• mworld: the psycological pressure must be tremendous...he's trying to figure out what top's got up his sleave
• Skylark: perhaps but general grounds here give way to concrete calculation, and if his calculation is off... well
• 3d29: 6 minutes left too
• mworld: o my!
• Skylark: nice
• gabrielconroy: ok i take it back
• cashparov: game on
• Steinwitz: Damn
• greenknight: well there were tactics involving Nxc8, Rxd7
• Skylark: fat lady is not singing yet
• mueller: why is Kg7 so much worse than Kh7? I dont see the difference
• mworld: i think someone must be a bit rattled
• greenknight: because the knight on e5 is pinned now
• mueller: OH hahha. Yes it is
• ArcticStones3: I wouldn’t take it for granted that Veselin plays Rh2 here.
• KOCMOHABT: Grischuk must be ready for psycological pressure. He is a poker player
• mworld: yeah, and a couple of different checks can pop out of nowhere on g7
• Steinwitz: Grishuk doesn't want the checks
• greenknight: grischuk actually makes use of his time quite well when he's short
• Zeblakob80: I told you that Topalov is one of the greatest player in the history. He was just unlucky against Kramnis in 2006
• Skylark: arctic has a point; topa has yet to show that he will play the rather backwards Rh2
• Steinwitz: He's a time pressure addict
• gabrielconroy: cummon Rh2
• Skylark: i just want Rh2 because I don't want the game to be won over a blunder
• gabrielconroy: yay
• Skylark: woot
• mworld: o nice!
• sammour: Kg7 was not good since black cannot move his e knight now
• greenknight: well the players have exchanged one bad king move each, so we're back to even
• dragin: why was he discount Kh7, possible g5?
• Skylark: black has to tread real careful now with 6 mins left
• BlunderSuck: http://www.chessdom.com/linares-2010/topalov-grischuk
• gabrielconroy: firebird likes Re8, and gives it at -0.65
• Zeblakob80: dragin, no beacsue he wats to play Rh8.
• greenknight: yeah what zeb said
• mworld: he probably wanted to play rh8 and get his king tucked away on the back rank again
• Skylark: .. Re8 probably is best here, I would agree
• balibaloche: I don't know why he played Kg7...
• Skylark: Give his king a breathing square at f8 and kick off the annoying e7 knight
• Zeblakob80: balibaloche, because he wanted to play Rh8.
• Steinwitz: Re6. RxR - Qg1+
• BlunderSuck: hope they will not spoiled the game because of time
• Skylark: keep in mind that if topalov hadn't played Rh2 he probably would have been screwed; it's possible that grish just didn't see that move
• ArcticStones3: Re8 seems like a very natural move, but I am worried about Grischuk’s horrible allocation of time.
• greenknight: Nxc8 Rxc8 Rxd7 wouldn't work yet due to Qg1+
• Steinwitz: Rd6, RxR, Qg1+ - I mean
• sammour: Grisly chook is down
• sammour: 3 minutes...byebye man
• mworld: this is a tough spot to be in as black without much time on the clock...lots of different directions to look at
• tjallen: oh no
• gabrielconroy: ohhh what???
• greenknight: eww
• gabrielconroy: horrible move
• BlunderSuck: Re8 was leading to simplification!
• mworld: that's too bad
• sammour: Qc1 and attack on the h file
• greenknight: well, it does block the diagonal but also interferes with his own rook
• Skylark: I still think i would only be happy with a topalov win here because i think 21. Nf5! deserves it
• mworld: that's the type of move I would make after getting rattled
• Zeblakob80: Makes the rook out of play
• ArcticStones3: Giving Topalov the initiative here is a horrible idea.
• tjallen: attack!!!
• mueller: this is just a slopfest now
• Skylark: hrm Qc1 was interesting
• BlunderSuck: Wow I think they playing both poker
• ArcticStones3: Quickly, quickly!
• tjallen: tick tick tick
• greenknight: yeah it looks like it, this move is just to pressure grischuk more
• Skylark: lol grish doesn't have a chnce
• Skylark: 1 min
• valmy: Is there increment here?
• gabrielconroy: Qc1 looked a lot stronger according to Firebird, forcing h5, but this is for time pressure
• mueller: no increment until after the 2nd time control
• BlunderSuck: Apparently Topa didn't like f6 and was stiking to his plan...pin on the black night
• sammour: Nxc8 followed by Rxd7 Qxe5+
• Steinwitz: Lucky Grischuk - but does he have time
• greenknight: now Nf5 is pinned again and if Nxc8 Rxc8 Rxd7 is check... lets see if that works
• Skylark: g5 was pretty ugly
• gabrielconroy: yeah this is where Kg7 looks very bad
• Steinwitz: Nxc8
• balibaloche: agree gk
• cashparov: ka1!!
• ArcticStones3: fxg5 solved a lot of problems for black -- and Grischuk again has a significant advantage. But I don’t envy him 9 seconds per move!
• Skylark: wow grish is playing accurately for the time
• Skylark: that was a difficult move to find imo
• sammour: hxg5 was the better play than fxg5...Topalov wins
• gabrielconroy: no it wasn't
• greenknight: the play from black's f6 was based around this idea of blocking the diagonal
• sammour: Rf6 saves the check
• BlunderSuck: This game save the tournament so far
• Skylark: if topalov wins here it's purely thanks to time
• mworld: great move
• BlunderSuck: from a excitement point of view
• greenknight: topa decided to rush instead of looking for other options though, however grischuk is playing blitz now
• Zeblakob80: Topalov time treaks with Kamsky do not work now.
• gabrielconroy: Nd5
• huntercruz: exciting!
• valmy: Hum maybe it will work ZEB
• mworld: top tried to bully the win out of G, i think G will hold on at this rate!
• Skylark: haha who knows how this will end
• balibaloche: all the plan of topa was based on f6 but black Q disturbed this
• greenknight: well i'm sure that when topa played Nf5 he had a look at grischuk's clock first and figured it would be worth something
• Skylark: the eval has been up and down like a yoyo for the past 10 moves
• Steinwitz: Too bad G didn't see Qg3
• valmy: This will be a draw, we are in LINARES 2010 don't forget;-)
• d_ahura: seems to have become a last error loses kind of game
• ArcticStones3: Black will soon have a fortress.
• Skylark: Nd5 may be strongest here
• Skylark: yep
• mworld: love 'human' games :)
• Steinwitz: There went the game
• Skylark: unbelievable but material is actually equal
• Skylark: Nf3??
• huntercruz: wow! yoyo indeed!
• balibaloche: now topa should take his time
• gabrielconroy: white advanatage according to firebird
• Skylark: if this ends in a draw i will poo my pants
• greenknight: well the g5 plan *did* get the piece back
• gabrielconroy: Bxf3 Qxh2 Qd4Qe5 Nxf6
• Skylark: .11 isn't an advantage
• sammour: Rf1?
• gabrielconroy: it's better than -0.9 - that's an advantage relatively
• sammour: oh Nd2+
• mworld: poker player for sure!~
• Steinwitz: Maybe he misplaced it, and wanted to play Ng4
• ArcticStones3: Rf1, Nd7+, NxRf1
• Skylark: Nxf6 looks like a certain draw
• greenknight: Nf3 was played to stop Rf1
• ArcticStones3: Nd2+, I mean
• mworld: throw a wrench in tops plans and maybe give him self breathing room on teh time clock side in exchange for the advantage
• valmy: Grish is so fast
• greenknight: i prefer this old fashioned time control to 100 + 30 sec increment
• valmy: Aggred with you green
• sammour: Nxf6 Rxf6 Qd4
• Steinwitz: The time increment from move 1 is a mess. Nobody knows how much time is on the clock
• Skylark: i do but i wish it was possible to have old adjournment rules
• Skylark: without fear of cheaters
• greenknight: strong computers have pretty much ended that
• Steinwitz: This is better
• mueller: the 8 hour games possible with 2/40 + 1/20 + 15&30sec/game are exhausting though
• Skylark: the home analysis phase of adjournment was what added to the excitement and intrigue of the botvinnik/fischer era imo
• rodrigol: chessbomb clockers are incorrect
• ArcticStones3: Adjournment is not possible in the Age of Rybka & Co.
• Skylark: greenknight: of course, but i'm allowed to be disappointed :P
• greenknight: mueller it's the same as 100+30", 50+30" that we see otherwise
• greenknight: in total duration
• ArcticStones3: Did Topalov forget to punch his clock?
• Steinwitz: I get the point of increments from move 1, but it doesn't work with internet transfers
• Skylark: must have
• Skylark: grish would play Nx in a heartbeat
• randi: no Nx f6, a4 Qf4 was played
• Steinwitz: The DGT borad isn't keeping up
• cashparov: hw punched grischuk instead
• randi: official website
• greenknight: i think you shouldn't hand hold players like that with the increments, if they want to use their time early they should be allowed to
• Skylark: nx a4 Qf4??? Qxf4 1-0
• randi: ...Nxf6, a4 Qf4
• gabrielconroy: what?
• Steinwitz: It's just that the transmission has enough errors as it is, without the inaccurate times on top
• Skylark: wait what crack am i on, am i even looking at the same board?
• ArcticStones3: Dealing with increments online is simple programming. But when there are seconds left, the transmission delay means the online clocks are not reliable.
• Skylark: 4:40 am in australia please forgive me, long night
• sammour: what is oging on?
• randi: check the official website
• mworld: top is playing mind games
• gabrielconroy: what does it say randi
• Zeblakob80: Topa is loosing I aguess in the Offcield site
• randi: Bd5 Rd7, Re1 Qxf5 was played next
• Che: wait for move 40...
• Skylark: kuyashiiii
• Steinwitz: Nxf6 Nxf6 a4 Qf4 Bd5 Rd7 Re1 Qxf5
• randi: follow al the moves i've posted
• Zeblakob80: and B sould win.
• BlunderSuck: 38. Bc4
• randi: Bc4 Qf2
• ArcticStones3: Ah, moves missing here. That explains the bizarre behaviour of the clocks on ChessBomb.
• pesel: rf1 qd4
• randi: Move 38, 20 sec for grischuk
• Zeblakob80: I said more that 100 times: every engame in the sicilian favour BLACK
• pro6: humm
• Che: 2 more moves for gris going to 40
• randi: Qe65, Qd4
• HungryHippo: 1 more move for gris
• randi: Qe5, Qd4
• randi: 1 more move
• Che: ok gris will survive time
• Skylark: wow this game is going to be a draw
• Zeblakob80: !?
• Skylark: after all that messy crap
• greenknight: messy? this is drawnares!
• mworld: that's pretty crazy
• Zeblakob80: Black is winning
• Skylark: not after Qe5 Qd4 Qf5
• cashparov: moves not relaying
• Skylark: dead draw
• Che: they passed 40 moves...
• randi: Qf5 Qg4
• randi: time control now
• Zeblakob80: After Q exchanging B is 100/100 winning
• pantev_tsvetelin: pawn on a5 hanging?
• randi: i think now topa will lose
• BlunderSuck: perpetual??
• ArcticStones3: Amazing! Grischuk reached the time control a pawn up -- but to no avail. Topalov must be kicking himself for not being able to gain advantage.
• Zeblakob80: Toplaov now is siiting on the chair alone like an ass.
• randi: both have good pieces
• pesel: rybka wake up!
• greenknight: vallejo-gashimov is still on move 25 and unbalanced, gonna watch there
• 187: 000
• 187: +0.1)
• Skylark: no pawn up after Qxa5
• Skylark: still with lots of play, despite what the engines say; black has 2 passed pawns kingside
• BlunderSuck: chessbomb is just behind in this game now
• Zeblakob80: But the 2 connected passed pawns are more dangerous
• Skylark: maybe but the bishop has longer range power than the knight which is an important factor as well
• Skylark: rybka actually gives a very slight edge to white
• cashparov: black's king is less safe than white counterpart
• randi: the bishop is stronger than the knight
• pantev_tsvetelin: ni4iq budet
• tjallen: are we seeing the correct position?
• randi: yes
• Andastra: no
• Andastra: http://linares10.soloajedrez.com/
• randi: yes it is
• Andastra: no. look at the official homepage
• tjallen: I see we missed moves 35-41
• BigAlex: At FICS the position is different
• tjallen: need catchup
• randi: yes it is, reload this page and its the same
• BigAlex: theyre at move 41
• tjallen: Yes reload fixed it, thanks
• BigAlex: and it is a dead draw
• randi: youre right objectively its a draw but gris pawns are a bit stronger, white compenstes with the good bishop
• BlunderSuck: Nxf6 35. a4 Qf4 36. Bd5 Rd7 37. Re1 Qxf5 38. Bc4 Qf2 39. Qe5 Qd4 40. Qf5 Qg4 41. Qxa5
• alanpeart: they reached move 40 and it's not clear at all
• alanpeart: lots of play left
• alanpeart: white probably a bit better
• tontonhuit: I prefer blacks
• alanpeart: that Nf5 was a very Tal-type sac
• Destrudo: connected passed pawns looking good
• randi: vallejo lost badly
• Destrudo: I agree there is lots of play lest
• alanpeart: whoa how did Vallejo lose
• randi: he miscalculated and the b pawn became a monster
• BlunderSuck: Wake up chessbomb please!
• Destrudo: good game thsi one anyawy, probably the best of the day
• alanpeart: I bet if Rybka analysed Tal's games they would be full of red everywhere and he would still be winning most of them
• Destrudo: alan yes it's true, Tal's sacrifices famously weren't sound. But you don't always have to play the best moves to win
• Destrudo: creating complications and the pychological confidence involved in making unsound sacrifices counts for a lot
• greenknight: basically with 30 seconds left for 10 moves vallejo played a couple of natural looking moves which let gashimovo queen
• Destrudo: still, I would take accurate play ahead of that style and day of the week
• Destrudo: Fischer for example is far superior to Tal
• Destrudo: or was, I should say
• Zeblakob80: Fisher is less than Tal,
• alanpeart: I would like to think I play like Tal. I would settle for Petrosian even. But I'm probably more like...some patzer
• greenknight: i'm impressed topalov can stay 2800 playing this style though
• Zeblakob80: Toplaov is a time cheater ..
• pantev_tsvetelin: tall became world champion playing "this" way
• Destrudo: Lol alan yes I'm in the same boat my friend. Zeblak: you really think Tal better than Fischer? What are your reasons?
• balibaloche: topa will win
• alanpeart: Tal had a good record against Fischer but that doesn't mean he was better
• alanpeart: Geller had a great record against all the world champions but never even got a WC match
• Destrudo: yes, he won a lot of games when Fischer was young and Tal was in his prime
• cashparov: this is gonna be a LONG game
• alanpeart: it's funny, reading Kasparov's books has made me realize what a great player Karpov was
• Destrudo: if you take both at thier peaks though, Fischer was definitely stronger
• Steinwitz: Tal's precision absolutely sucks compared to Fischer.
• Steinwitz: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3455
• Zeblakob80: Destruso, I mean Tal at his best was better than Fisher at his best. Do yoy knwo that he was with only one kidney from the 1960? and with 3 right hand fingers? He was ill most of his life ... and had a good scor againsnt Fisher.
• alanpeart: Fischer at his best was almost unplayable though
• Steinwitz: :-) The link shows that Capablanca was the most precise of the WChamps. Steinitz the least precise.
• Zeblakob80: from 1961 plays with 30/100 of his strenth
• pantev_tsvetelin: I really don't get how you compare Fischer to Tall
• greenknight: there seems to be quite a lot of play in this endgame still
• Zeblakob80: an other point, Tal plyed more than 2600 games and Fisher just 1000. Who love chess more?
• Zeblakob80: any way ...
• greenknight: in my book fischer deserves some minus points for not defending the title against karpov
• BlunderSuck: 41. Qxa5 Rd1+ 42. Rxd1 Qxd1+ 43. Kb2
• Zeblakob80: moeover in the last games against Spassky, Fisher escaped like a fish with a draw.
• ArcticStones3: Fischer may have been paranoid even then, but FIDE did not act in a balanced manner.
• Destrudo: Zeblak - Fischer tried to introduve the rule that draws shouldnt count, so you cant really hold that against him
• Steinwitz: Ah, Grischuk working to get in time trouble again. He needs his fix
• Destrudo: and I have to disagree if you think Tal was better than Fischer - it depends what Criterion you analyse, but in terms of accuracy and playing strength there is no question who was superior
• greenknight: i don't care about who is more accurate, just who wins
• Destrudo: also - Fischer certainly loved the game more! He devoted his entire life to it, much more than Tal
• Destrudo: gk: fair enough, but to me accuracy is very important in winning and playing well
• Destrudo: winning against a GM would not be satisfying if I made a blunder at move 10 that wasn't exploited
• Steinwitz: Fischer - 73% win/draw; Tal 65% win/draw
• Steinwitz: (wins+draws/2) / total games
• greenknight: yeah, obviously its a big component of strength, but I think chess would be boring if we had perfect accuracy
• alanpeart: I'd be pretty satisfied to beat a GM no matter how many blunders I made :-)
• ULTRAMODERNIST: Fischer dead Um here now so whats good?
• Destrudo: yes for sure, - I mean, in order to win, your opponent must make a mistake
• ArcticStones3: Carlsen is good.
• Steinwitz: Carlsen 60% -- Liem 65%
• ULTRAMODERNIST: ok
• ULTRAMODERNIST: Um crazy too then!
• greenknight: those statistics are meaningless without taking into account opponent strength
• Destrudo: but there is a lot to be said for accuracy - it seems that Capablanca may well be the best of all time, the link that Steinwitz gave indicates tha too
• balibaloche: very interesting endgame here, hope no draw
• ArcticStones3: Yes, but look at Carlsen’s recent statistics.
• P2kmil: Fischer has those figures cause the USA Championships (weak)
• Destrudo: hopefully Grischuk will win
• Steinwitz: No, they're not meaningless. Except for Liem - too few games. THe others, lots of games
• ULTRAMODERNIST: Um gunna play crazy right wit cha.
• Steinwitz: Liem is going to be a behemoth
• ULTRAMODERNIST: keep it up, Um not Maurice.
• Destrudo: P2kmil, yes that's a fair point, but it is sometimes overexaggerated in literature
• huntercruz: is it just me or is the eval section not working??
• ArcticStones3: Carlsen is World No. 1. He is widening the gap. He was undefeated for 36 or 37 games. He is World Blitz Champion.
• randi: is not working
• greenknight: is not working and is not very useful atm
• randi: Qd4+ followed by g4 seems good
• balibaloche: in fact, 2 past pawns fro blacks but an isolate pawn to defend...
• Destrudo: Arctic: personally, I think we can still expect a lot from Kramnik
• Destrudo: a lot more*
• Destrudo: he seems to give Magnus problems
• ArcticStones3: More importantly, Carlsen is STILL improving! It is clear that his potential is far greater than the level he is playing at now.
• Destrudo: yes you're right - he's not even 20, it's incredible
• pantev_tsvetelin: so he is going to play for like 2900+?
• Destrudo: it would be very hard to get to 2900, he would have to have a winning streak. When he gets to about 2850 he will probably lose points with draws
• greenknight: its actually pretty scary considering he obviously feels he's gaining enough from training with kasparov to be worth the high fees
• ArcticStones3: Agreed! Kramnik is formidable. Moreover, his recent readjustment of his style is an absolutely incredible achievement. I far prefer the new, aggressive Kramnik.
• ULTRAMODERNIST: Carlsen is just a kid, with some talent , get real.
• Destrudo: Arctic - I agree, Kramnik's new style is great
• ArcticStones3: I predict that within two years we will see Carlsen win every single game in a major tournament.
• greenknight: that might be pushing it ;p
• ULTRAMODERNIST: if u knew i was comin would u have baked me a chessdrum cake?
• Destrudo: Arctic: I doubt that my friend. They will still be able to draw with him!
• ULTRAMODERNIST: i guess not!
• randi: yeah
• Destrudo: but he may well have a long string where he is unbeaten. I think the record is 80something by Kramnik
• Pam: with some talent? You mean with great talent
• Destrudo: Capa didn't lose for eight years but it was only 60 odd games
• ULTRAMODERNIST: well ok pam .
• alanpeart: I thought Tal had the record for unbeaten games
• alanpeart: did kramnik beat that?
• ULTRAMODERNIST: but naka the same
• Turbo: what we want to see is carlsen get 20 consecutive wins -
• Destrudo: Kramnik went for more games, but not as long
• ArcticStones3: @Destrudo: Yes, Carlsen will no doubt draw often, and lose occasionally. But I do believe we will see
• ArcticStones3: ...him score 100 % in a major tournament.
• greenknight: theres a lot of promising new players coming up, but only time will tell if they become real contenders for the title or not
• ULTRAMODERNIST: grennknight can i have my say? or is this game just for kids?
• ArcticStones3: Yes, indeed. Wesley So, Caruana, Giri.
• greenknight: so many people peak at 2750-60 then drop back after being hyped...
• ULTRAMODERNIST: ok
• BlunderSuck: 44... Qe5+ 45. Kb1 Qe1+ 46. Ka2 Qe4 47. Bd3 {Rybka Aquarium (0:01.57)} {+0.39|d18
• Destrudo: Aha yes, Tal has the record at 95 games, I just checked
• ULTRAMODERNIST: I know Um an intellectual dwarf but Um tryin!
• greenknight: tal the inaccurate lol
• lcsusa: why hasnt the position updated?
• Destrudo: incredible, I would not think he would go so long without being beaten considering his style!
• Steinwitz: Tal has the two top consecutive win streaks
• randi: gris behind on the clock again
• greenknight: he's one of the last people I'd expect to hold that record
• Destrudo: does anyone know how to get the eval working? Mine is not showing
• ArcticStones3: Hikaru Nakamura is a fascinating player, and one to watch. Extremely aggressive and creative...
• greenknight: I don't think it is working
• balibaloche: thanks blunder
• sammour: Rybka has given up the ghost..the chip whatever
• Steinwitz: Lots of new players coming now. Check out Liem's games, incredible stuff.
• Destrudo: ok cool - thanks. Yes, Naka is good but against top level competition he is nothing special, IMHO.
• ULTRAMODERNIST: well they let naka win a blitz torny so what!
• Destrudo: Morozevich - now that is creativity
• randi: IMHO?
• Destrudo: in my humble opinion
• greenknight: i would give white a slight + at this point, though
• ULTRAMODERNIST: usin tricks
• ArcticStones3: Oh, I love Morozevich! And Ivanchuk. :)
• sammour: i love myself
• Destrudo: yes Chucky too is awesome and he's such a funny guy!
• sammour: and myself loves me too
• gabrielconroy: why have the moves still not updated?
• greenknight: reopen the window gabriel
• Steinwitz: Eval from Chessok: 43. Kb2 Qd6 44. Qa7 (44... Qe5+ 45. Kb1 Qe1+ 46. Ka2 Qe4 47. Bd3 {Rybka Aquarium (0:01.57)} {+0.39|d18} {white stands slightly better})
• ULTRAMODERNIST: me too sammour
• siamesedream: hi again
• ULTRAMODERNIST: Um lovin me lovin u lovin me!
• ArcticStones3: Hikaru Nakamura is only now meeting the world’s top players -- with decidedly mixed results. He played some beautiful games in London; elsewhere he got trounced. Time will tell whether he develops further.
• siamesedream: looks drawish now
• mannboobz: It's far too early to tell how Nakamura ranks against the elite.
• ULTRAMODERNIST: theres a lot of talented young people naka happens to be one.
• balibaloche: grischuck with time trouble ?
• greenknight: i think it is advantageous for white because he can hassle both the b7 pawn and black's king potentially
• balibaloche: ;)
• Steinwitz: Naka beautiful games in London? Nah, he played very well in the World Team Champ's, but London?
• sammour: if topalov could not win it with one minute left for chook he cant win it now
• ULTRAMODERNIST: topy busted vs vishy
• greenknight: that +0.39 someone quoted sounds a fair assessment
• Steinwitz: Naka drew six and lost one in London
• siamesedream: how many moves did Grischuk have to make with 1 min?
• sammour: 12 or so
• BlunderSuck: If topa want to win this one, he had to gable again
• BlunderSuck: gamble
• siamesedream: yeah - Queen sacrifice
• Destrudo: a queen for the king
• greenknight: no, what he needs to do is find a way to combine the threats on both wings
• ULTRAMODERNIST: this is silly , nor really chess.
• Destrudo: yes greenknight that's true, have you been watchin SeanGGodley's youtube account?
• greenknight: no
• Destrudo: okay. He just did a video on the principle of two weaknesses, which is what you were referring to
• sammour: g4
• greenknight: that's you right
• BlunderSuck: He can deguise is King in DragQueen
• Destrudo: yup
• greenknight: =p
• BigAlex: dead draw
• Steinwitz: Naka was 7 in a field of 8 in London. He underestimated what it would be like.
• sammour: Bd4 then g4 and draw
• Steinwitz: He had 48 minutes on the clock at move 40 in his first game against Howell.
• sammour: Bd3 I meant
• Destrudo: how can you say draw? Are you going by engine eval? Look at black's passed pawns
• greenknight: how does playing g4 make it more drawish??
• BigAlex: Naka really showed great skills, some inovative style but he has to refrain his instintcs to achieve his goal
• BigAlex: If he do so, he will be candidate to teh top
• BigAlex: the
• siamesedream: Topa's playing really fast
• ULTRAMODERNIST: oh bigalex u sexy back ! haha
• sammour: because g advances a advances and the two players realize it is a draw
• balibaloche: G should move the king now
• ULTRAMODERNIST: dont know who u r but clearly u know ur chess and funny too.
• Steinwitz: I'd worry more about Topa's passed pawns
• greenknight: Topalov has been planning during grischuk's long thinks, and G has probably been playing what topa expected
• BigAlex: yes i am back...Most of the time just listening
• ULTRAMODERNIST: oh ok me too. hahah
• BigAlex: Gris had some edge
• BigAlex: but let it go away
• greenknight: he need to do something about a6
• ULTRAMODERNIST: yup top messin up !
• ULTRAMODERNIST: too bad though great talent there.
• BigAlex: now white has an edge
• siamesedream: g spot will decise
• ULTRAMODERNIST: oh
• Steinwitz: Naka's a great player. But he needs to take his opponents seriously if he wants to beat them. Corus was good
• greenknight: i think the exchange of rooks helped white
• ULTRAMODERNIST: li lose a bit of interest after the blunders fischeritis i guess!! hehe
• sammour: time for black knight to move
• balibaloche: king
• Steinwitz: Wonder how it would have looked if Grischuk had played 27... Kh7
• BigAlex: Nd5 is craving to be played
• gabrielconroy: probably winning for black
• sammour: Nd7
• greenknight: possible is .. Nd5 centralizing the knight and threatening Nb4+
• BigAlex: he palyed !
• P2kmil: here we go
• BigAlex: played!
• greenknight: lol topa saw that one coming and prepared a reply, again
• siamesedream: Another terrorist atack in USA?
• randi: huh?
• gabrielconroy: what?
• siamesedream: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1
• BigAlex: back to f6 Knight
• greenknight: this must be pretty annoying for grischuk
• Steinwitz: (CNN) -- An Austin, Texas, resident with an apparent grudge against the Internal Revenue Service set his house on fire Thursday and then crashed a small plane into a building housing an IRS office with nearly 200 employees, officials said.
• siamesedream: is Rybka 2 sleeping yet?
• gabrielconroy: BBC: A US website has published an apparent suicide note attacking the US tax authorities and signed by the man suspected of piloting the plane.
• Steinwitz: Go here - Rybka 3: http://chessok.com/broadcast/?key=lin05.pgn&game=0
• randi: it doesn't seem to be a terrorit attack
• sammour: rybka comatose
• gabrielconroy: nope
• democratico: time..... bad
• Steinwitz: U.S. "No taxes" lunatics
• Trout: must be fair to say he had a bad day
• greenknight: topalov is mkaing good tactical use of the clock here...
• sammour: Nf6 only move?
• Destrudo: 47. Ba6 was interestin
• siamesedream: 10 min for 12 moves and then 20 min + 30 sec
• greenknight: destrudo Qxa6
• Destrudo: sorry, yes, i thought the queen was on d5
• Destrudo: black is better here, but only with a small edge
• gabrielconroy: wow grischuk very low on time again
• gabrielconroy: how did that happen?
• siamesedream: guess
• gabrielconroy: he took ages over his moves?
• gabrielconroy: the clocks are wrong?
• Destrudo: I'm not a fan of Topalov, but his play in this game was very nice and interesing, I admire it
• greenknight: he took so long that his opponent could do enough analysis on his time
• Destrudo: Qa7 0.00
• sammour: Qa4 followed by b-pawn advance
• greenknight: grischuk really does need to work on his time management
• siamesedream: it was Sasha's diahorrea
• caungardh: Qe5
• Destrudo: Qa4 is losing after Qxa4
• greenknight: yeah more likely is Qe5, threatening to push the black king back to the back rank with Qe7+
• siamesedream: yeah - Topa is playing really well, considering his match on April
• Destrudo: b4 is second best, according to Fritz
• Destrudo: yes siamese I agree
• siamesedream: Qe5 b4
• e4ia: Qe4 Kf7 blk is holding this ending....so far
• Destrudo: Qe4? Nxe4
• e4ia: meant Qe5
• Destrudo: ok
• sammour: b cannot advance because of Qa4+
• Destrudo: this is a frustrating game for both sides. There is no way to get at either king, so this all revloves around the pawns
• e4ia: is it just me as there's no lines given here ?
• caungardh: Topalov never made it under an hour!
• sammour: yes rybka is dead RIPka
• siamesedream: Rybka 2 is tired, try chessok.com and Rybka
• siamesedream: 3
• Destrudo: b4 Qa4+ Kb2 is not really problematic, on the contrart it takes the black queen away from the centre, which is important for endgames like this
• sammour: b4 then
• gabrielconroy: either b4 or Qe5
• siamesedream: whats your eval without Queens guys?
• greenknight: also true, but the pawn on b3 supports the bishop if it needs to move to c4
• gabrielconroy: trouble is Qe5 precludes b4
• Destrudo: without queens Bf1 and white has a small edge
• sammour: Be4?
• Destrudo: in fact, it's almost completely equal - according to Fritz. But I would fancy black with the passersin fact, it's almost completely equal - according to Fritz. But I would fancy black with the passers
• Destrudo: Kb2 is also good here
• Destrudo: in any case, black is slightyl beter here. Topa must be sweating - they are tied for first
• Zeblakob80: o.O,
• greenknight: wait. why should white exchange queens, anyway?
• Zeblakob80: we have stopped at Fisher /Tal??
• siamesedream: he should not
• Destrudo: Zeblak: there is no debate there =0)
• korchnoi: I also believe Black must be better with the connected passers. ...g4-g3-g2-g1(Q)
• gabrielconroy: great line korchnoi, didn't see that one
• Zeblakob80: I went and come back and evrething is Ok
• korchnoi: why no info from rybka?
• e4ia: blk is not better; if anything its a tad +=
• Zeblakob80: Rybka is died
• Destrudo: Fritz gives -0.4
• korchnoi: White's queenside does look awesome, true...
• Destrudo: but black's pawns have no resistance
• sammour: b4
• sammour: b4
• e4ia: nope a friend with F12 says += .46
• sammour: before i go sleep
• Destrudo: lol, ok - well that's strange. What line is he saying?
• e4ia: Qe5 Kf7 etc
• euldulle: and what about h5-h4-h3-h2-h1Q ? it loses a tempo but might have a surprise effect.
• siamesedream: Liverpool is playing now
• greenknight: well, the pawns may be passed, but it isn't easy for the black queen to support them and still hold on to b7
• Destrudo: Qe5 We8 is better
• Destrudo: Qe8*
• siamesedream: 1/2 here i predict
• alanpeart: the discussion of moves is so much more interesting when there's no rybka lines shown
• alanpeart: everyone has to actually think!
• Destrudo: I agree totally Alan. Everyone is a lot quiter with their opinions when they don't have Rybka to back them up!
• Zeblakob80: have y seen this: http://www.chessmasterschool.com/?gclid=CPC8utHW_J8CFRuZ2AodImthmA
• sammour: c3 and b4 coming up for white?
• siamesedream: Qe5!
• siamesedream: Sasha must hurry
• gabrielconroy: yeah much prefer it without the rybka lines next door
• BigAlex: time trouble coming
• greenknight: interesting. the black king voluntariliy retreats
• gabrielconroy: i expected Kf7
• Destrudo: Kf8? Not best. The somewhat passive Qe8 was better
• mueller: Kf7 is ugly after Bc4+
• Zeblakob80: We have to see everething OTB
• gabrielconroy: hmm good point mueller
• gabrielconroy: that's why he's played Kf8
• Destrudo: Qd5, in fact, is even better
• BlunderSuck: (50. Kb2 {Rybka Aquarium (0:00.27)} {+0.74|d17} {white stands slightly better})
• BigAlex: Gris is in troble
• BigAlex: trouble
• alanpeart: it's hard for white to create real threats
• e4ia: 49. Qe5 Kf7 50. Qf4 Ke7 51. Qe3+ Kf8 52. Kb2
• Zeblakob80: If we replace Queens with rooks then Blask is almost wining
• alanpeart: without exposiing his own king
• Destrudo: Blundersuck: how about Qd5 instead of Kf8, what is the eval then?
• BlunderSuck: haha I am just using chessok that give 1st line according to him
• e4ia: was about += .35 ish or so
• greenknight: i can fire up a computer if you guys want
• gabrielconroy: Qd5 Qe7+ and black loses the knight
• BigAlex: Robbo says 0.62
• gabrielconroy: or actually forces Qf7
• greenknight: rather just think it through though
• Destrudo: yes, Qf7
• randi: topalov should've lost to Kh7, now grischuk is clearly fightin to draqw
• siamesedream: Robbolito can beat Rybka 3
• BigAlex: but this isn´t worth in this kind of position
• gabrielconroy: yeah i had firebird on earlier but arena crashed
• gabrielconroy: i prefer it like this anyway
• gabrielconroy: i learn more
• Destrudo: engines aren't that great at endgame though (relatively speaking) we should trust our own understanding of the position more here
• greenknight: how do you switch the 2nd player to human in arena so you can enter moves nayway ;p
• BigAlex: yes no engines
• gabrielconroy: double click i think
• alanpeart: white can create the threat of Bb5
• siamesedream: gentlemen, start youur engines!
• Destrudo: looking at this position it's not that easy for engines to immediately grasp the idea of the strength in the passed pawns
• Steinwitz: 5k2/1p6/2q2n1p/P3Q1p1/8/1P1B4/K1P5/8 w - - 5 50
• BlunderSuck: ChessOK.com » Tournaments & Broadcasts » 14th Computer Olympiad: Rybka - Shredder win in 28 moves
• gabrielconroy: i kinda hope chessdom takes this as a hint and drops the rybka analysis
• alanpeart: huh, didn't expect that one
• Destrudo: it catches the human eye immediately, but to engines it is many more moves away and thus more out of focus
• gabrielconroy: if people want engines it's not hard to get one yourself
• siamesedream: Rybka 2 and Robbolito are free
• Destrudo: c4? A bad move. Now g4 and black has an edge
• gabrielconroy: yeah as is firebird
• gabrielconroy: robbo and firebird are both stronger than rybka 3 anyway
• Destrudo: and Fritz too
• Zeblakob80: I agree with GreenKnight
• siamesedream: ok, no evals but at least colored moves!
• greenknight: c4 was unexpected as it takes some squares from the bishop
• BigAlex: there goes the passer
• BlunderSuck: white moves means that we are beyong known chess
• BigAlex: like american football
• gabrielconroy: hmm black suddenly looks healthier
• Destrudo: Topa is playing his opponent's clock, and blundering
• 3d29: 4 mins only for gris
• siamesedream: now its draw
• greenknight: in this case no, he took 20 minutes over c4
• Destrudo: big mistake. I have done this myself and I will never do it again
• siamesedream: if Sasha will not blunder
• BigAlex: Robbo 0.00
• gabrielconroy: is 60 moves the next time control?
• BigAlex: again in this time of position an innacuracy is a big blunder
• siamesedream: yep
• TAzDK: 4 first lines of rybka 2 = 0.00
• siamesedream: +20 min after move 60 and starting +30 sec increment
• Zeblakob80: It is easy for B to blunder than W.
• Destrudo: h5 is coming next. I agree Alex - one small slip is all it takes (one giant blunder for mankind)
• greenknight: c4 is really weird
• BigAlex: time trouble time trouble
• gabrielconroy: it is easier for black to blunder than white
• BigAlex: surely
• gabrielconroy: not just because of the time
• greenknight: yeah, black's structure is more loose
• Zeblakob80: B seems to hace a fortress h5
• Destrudo: Topa is playing his opponent's clock, a schoolboy error
• siamesedream: 9 moves in 4 minute - only Big and Little Chucky can play in such circumstances
• greenknight: ?? the error seemed to be c4 which he did spend time on
• Destrudo: Qb8 is best
• siamesedream: Topa sees more than us
• Destrudo: yes but Bf5 he played very quickly
• gabrielconroy: yes of course
• mueller: how did Grischuk do in the blitz tournament in december?
• greenknight: well where else is that bishop going?
• Destrudo: it's not a question of where his bishop belongs, it was fine where it was
• Zeblakob80: W need his pawns to be advanced in case of pawn race, othersie he can not progress, I gues
• gabrielconroy: good point
• Destrudo: Qf4 was better. But none of it's much good after c4? anyway
• gabrielconroy: timing of pawn advances is obviously critical
• gabrielconroy: no, he can't have his pawns that far back for too long
• gabrielconroy: they can only move one square at a time remember
• gabrielconroy: that must be the reasoning behind c4; that, and to play a slightly unexpected move
• siamesedream: Grischuk was 5th in blitz champs:
• siamesedream: http://russiachess.org/results/2009/blitz/cross_table_acc_places&42.html
• Zeblakob80: W is aiaming fo Bc8???
• greenknight: well, c4 stops the black knight from going back to d5
• Destrudo: yes Bc8 is the plan. But too slow after h5 I believe - in any case, it looks set to be exciting!
• Zeblakob80: Bc8 is the threat???
• gabrielconroy: that too
• 3d29: how about qc8?
• siamesedream: there will be flood of moves soon
• gabrielconroy: what?
• Destrudo: we may have a 4 queens situation
• Zeblakob80: This is a typical siclian engame.
• mueller: dropping the g pawn?!
• Destrudo: like Fischer Petrosian all those years ago
• mueller: oh wait Qg2+ protects g pawn, nevermind
• greenknight: Bxg4? Qg2+
• Destrudo: Ne8? Now again Qf4 is good
• BigAlex: oh god
• Zeblakob80: Bc8 Nd6
• 3d29: qc8
• BigAlex: Wf4?
• siamesedream: lets wait till move 60 if it happens
• gabrielconroy: Bc8 Nd6 Bxg4 Qg2+...Qxd6
• gabrielconroy: wins a pawn, doesn't it?
• Zeblakob80: ok ... I am lookin at this line
• Destrudo: Qf4 Qf6 Qxg4 with an edge to white. Topa will find it
• greenknight: ouch yes. I cant find a move to cover both the discovered chekc and g4 pawn after that
• BigAlex: yes it wins
• Zeblakob80: gabriel, but with the Qs on booard the pawn does not make sens, hight drawing chanecs
• BigAlex: a pawn or the queen?
• siamesedream: Qh2
• gabrielconroy: yes suppose Qf4 is better...white has very strong chances here now
• BigAlex: Topa is a monster played and with time left on the clock is hard to be beaten
• Zeblakob80: Qf4 Qg2+ Ka3 Nf6
• greenknight: nice. Qh2 acutally wins a pawn too
• gabrielconroy: although...Qf4 Qf6
• pesel: rybka died
• BigAlex: he played
• gabrielconroy: Qc5...
• Destrudo: white has a big edge now
• gabrielconroy: hmm
• mueller: rofl he will make time control easily at this rate!
• Destrudo: Qf5
• greenknight: yeah but unfortunately, down a pawn. white would be happy to swap queens now
• gabrielconroy: feel sorry for grischuk
• BigAlex: Topalov will win.....that´s the beauty of chess
• gabrielconroy: although Kg7 was stupid
• Destrudo: Qb4 Bh5+ and white is nearly winning
• sammour: grischuk made a series of weak moves
• sammour: under time pressure
• gabrielconroy: f6? as well
• siamesedream: Topa will be sole leader with 1 point ahead, Topa - Vallejo tomorrow
• slowrook: white is winning
• mueller: Thats how most SuperGM games are decided, its drawn until time scramble and someone blunders
• Destrudo: Qxf5 is completely losing. Grischuk may resign now
• sammour: rybka is back
• gabrielconroy: tick tock
• Destrudo: yes, IMO time trouble completely ruins games. I prefer the old way, with adjournmanets
• greenknight: lol
• siamesedream: Grischuk should better manage his time
• Zeblakob80: Bf3 is comming
• Destrudo: Bf3 and white is winning
• Shaigan31: and Topalov will join Carsen at the first place
• BigAlex: Time for Gris to pack
• gabrielconroy: ??
• siamesedream: time to resign or flag
• gabrielconroy: Qa7
• greenknight: carlsen?? he's not even playing in this tournament
• Destrudo: Qf4
• siamesedream: on liverating
• BigAlex: hahhaha
• gabrielconroy: oh just resign
• alanpeart: G. seems to deliberately run down his clock, maybe he needs time trouble to focus, but it has had bad results here
• greenknight: it seems to be his standard pattern of time usage
• Steinwitz: A shame for Grischuk - he had Topalov until he put his King on g7 instead of h7. He needs to manage time better.
• siamesedream: his wife is happy with his time management
• sammour: Qh3
• sammour: or Qd3
• Destrudo: it's not easy to find the best move here. I will be impressed if Topa finds it
• Zeblakob80: The commentator is stating that Topalov play this game like TAL (if I weel understood the spanish)
• siamesedream: whats the best? Qf4?
• BlunderSuck: Qf4 win
• greenknight: well, he did play like tal
• Destrudo: yes it was like Tal, agreed
• siamesedream: yeah - it was Trojan horse - indeed
• Destrudo: must be scary for Vishy. Or maybe not!
• sammour: a6!!!!!!
• alanpeart: it worked, therefore it was good
• pesel: A6 Qa2
• Shaigan31: a6??
• greenknight: grischuk handled the clock like grischuk though
• Zeblakob80: a6 Qa2+
• alanpeart: if grischuk found the right moves everyone would criticize topa's risky play :)
• Zeblakob80: lol
• siamesedream: c5 and 1-0
• Destrudo: lol good point alan - it's the same with Tal
• Shaigan31: Da5
• siamesedream: hope Topa will play such aggressive chess against Anand
• Destrudo: but - when future generations look over the games, they will have no admirations for games like this or Tal's games. What they will admire is Fischer and Capablanca
• alanpeart: topa will run into his korchnoi
• alanpeart: tal could not play against korchnoi
• sammour: 12 seconds for grischuk is a loss whatever meaningless moves topa plays now
• siamesedream: time control reached + 20 min + 30 sec/move now
• sammour: he has 15 now
• alanpeart: you can admire both in different ways
• greenknight: destrudo thats cause computers will take over
• alanpeart: I am always amazed by Tal's games and the complications he created, even if the play isn't computer accurate
• siamesedream: it should be 20 min
• alanpeart: but I appreciate the accurate play too
• alanpeart: the irony of kasparo's books is they made me really appreciate karpov as a great player
• Destrudo: I know what you mean, and I take nothing away from Tal, but I think accurate play is the most impressive
• siamesedream: damn, Topa ruined my perfect prediction day ;)
• Kaosso: lol eval is back
• mueller: Tal is decidedly more accurate than you Destrudo, you shouldnt criticize him that harshly.
• greenknight: yeah it is clear that Kasparov had a great deal of respect for Karpov otb even if there were bad politics at the time
• siamesedream: wow - Rybka woke up
• sammour: coma over
• Zeblakob80: Destrudo, I looked at more than 20 games of Fisher (the best ones) and I am sorry, I neither like the style nor the ideas. I looke at just one game of Tal (against Botvinnik) and I was chocked
• ChessBomb: Sorry for rybka's absence
• BigAlex: there´s no way to save this
• sammour: no worries chessbomb
• Zeblakob80: No Rybla please
• siamesedream: we didint miss it ;)
• mworld: top doesn't miss rybka either
• mueller: I dont like Anand or Topalov, so I dont have much preference which of them wins the WCC in april.
• BigAlex: The Romantics X The modernists... I respect them both
• siamesedream: I root for Topa
• greenknight: you don't like either of them? why?
• pesel: In NIC Topa said that he would like to be Rybka
• mueller: neither of them seem very charismatic.
• Zeblakob80: so which player do you like and which WCC did y enjoy the most? thanks..
• siamesedream: Carlsen ?
• Destrudo: but how deeply did you look at these games? With an engine? Have you seen M60MG? They are fantastic games
• BigAlex: I like Kramnik
• greenknight: whats M60MG
• greenknight: some kinda tank? lol
• alanpeart: heavy vehicle mounted assault weapon
• Zeblakob80: Destrudo, I looked at the explanation of the ideas By Kasparov in"My Great Predecessors"
• greenknight: oh. fischer book
• Destrudo: My 60 Memorable Games. It's not surprising, Kasparov dislikes Fischer - for obvious reasons
• alanpeart: Kasparov unfortunately has a bit of an agenda against Fischer in his books. He doesn't give so many losses for anyone else in their section
• alanpeart: it's understandable, since Fischer is his rival as "the greatest" in most peoples minds, probably unfairly
• mueller: i dislike fischer for being an arrogant insufferable hubristic asshole, but i like his chess.
• Destrudo: exactly Alan. He hates Fischer and is always out to belittle him. Even talking after his recent death he made clear how short his reign as Wrold Champion had been
• Pam: actually Fischer dislikes Kasparov
• alanpeart: I think that's also why he praises Karpov so highly in his books
• alanpeart: because he beat Karpov, so it makes him look better
• greenknight: well I think kasparov has good reason to be annoyed there really
• alanpeart: don't get me wrong, I do consider kasparov the greatest
• Destrudo: mueller: Fischer was not that bad. There were some examples when he was terrible, yes - but 98% of the time he was fine
• alanpeart: but it's funny to see his ego at work sometimes
• sammour: qd3
• Zeblakob80: Fisher=OTB (Over The Board), Kaparov=AAH(All At Home), Kramnik=AAT (All At Toilets)
• Zeblakob80: happy?
• alanpeart: lol
• Destrudo: Kasparov has his bad moments too - like when he lost to Radjabov when the latter was 15 - a disgusting display
• pesel: Topalo AvD (All via Danailov)
• greenknight: hehe, i hope he doesnt pass all his bad habits to carlsen
• sammour: no more checks
• greenknight: this game actually turned out ot be a decent example of the uh ... two weaknesses thing
• gogomil: all ways leading to 1 ?
• Destrudo: Zeblak check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JGOLhlQ1q4&feature=PlayList&p=6EF5D74AC36018A9&index=37
• Destrudo: an awesome game from Fischer, you can't deny it!
• greenknight: even if the attacker isnt playing perfectly it's still difficult to defend both flanks at once
• balibaloche: please topa finish him
• BigAlex: Qc2
• mworld: woh
• alanpeart: excellent
• pesel: Did you know that Reshevski had polish roots?
• balibaloche: nice move
• Destrudo: yes Reshevsky was slavic originally, that's correct
• Destrudo: Grischuk is just being stubbord. I think there is pride involved here
• sammour: Bc2 next?
• Destrudo: lol stubbord = stubborn of course
• mworld: i thought he was going to play be4 last with check in the mail :)
• Zeblakob80: Destrudo, this was in their American Famous Match??
• BigAlex: this is kind of waiting move
• greenknight: no it will go to c2 and d3 and force the queen to move
• Destrudo: yes that's right
• Destrudo: but you can see deep analysis in the videos
• Zeblakob80: Destrudo, the video works but without sound ..??
• Destrudo: and how profound Fischer's ideas are
• balibaloche: this move should be the last one...
• Destrudo: It should work, it works okay for me.
• Zeblakob80: Ok, so a local problem in my system
• pesel: IMO linares is boring this year
• Destrudo: ok
• Destrudo: is it working now?
• Zeblakob80: pesel= negative .. lol
• greenknight: how can you call this game boring
• Zeblakob80: Get a look Pesel at today's Grishuk Benoni
• sammour: Bc2 or Be2?
• sammour: Bc2 ok
• greenknight: doesn't really matter
• BigAlex: desperation
• Zeblakob80: Gashi I mean Pesel)
• Destrudo: Zeblak: is the video working now?
• sammour: b pawn advance
• greenknight: this is pretty routine technique
• Zeblakob80: It works but I have to restart the system to have the sound OK. Thanks for the link ..
• Destrudo: no worries. Let me know what you think and leave a comment =0)
• martzobg: finito
• pantev_tsvetelin: 1:0 :)
• Kaosso: 1-0
• balibaloche: congrats topalov, nice play
• gogomil: YES
• greenknight: fun game to watch definitely
• Zeblakob80: Every Sicilian Game is Fantastic ..
• pesel: next year probably 4 players, in 2012 math only. End of Linares
• greenknight: even if it might not make the book of "topalov's greatest wins of all time"
• Zeblakob80: Destrudo, The sound is OK ... very nice
• BlunderSuck: Topalov won all his game with white so far! Good