Archive for Round 09: Carlsen - Kramnik from Corus 2010 A

Chat

schwam: hi
krussedull: hullo hullo :)
malachy: ho ho ho
3d29: hi guys
malachy: and girls? nah, who am I kidding.
rodrigol: hi
Bambole: hi
rodrigol: and today,a very exciting game
malachy: I'm guessing it will be either 1.e4, 1.d4, 1.c4 or 1.Nf3.
rodrigol: jeje
rodrigol: 1 c4 ,for me
godfather: i'm guessing white will move first
TugasKamagong: 1 b3
Bambole: d4 is the winner
rodrigol: larsens opening?
krussedull: All Carlsen vs Kramnik games from chessgames.com: http://bit.ly/7naTHR
schwam: this game will have a commentator?
TugasKamagong: just a guess. Carlsen's never opened with 1 b3, has he?
krussedull: they seem to win every other game agains eachother
Simon5: 1.e4!!
malachy: last classical game with carlsen as white was in Dortmund. And a Nimzo-indian
noiq: wasnt carlsen white in london?
heltok: 7-4 to kramnik
heltok: gonna be 7-5 after this
krussedull: im guessing 1.c4, thats what carlsen won with last time
malachy: yeah, sorry. london chess classic it is. English 4 knights
magnuschess: e4 is coming
zugzwang: carlsen had white against kramnik in London and at the Tal Memorial
malachy: at Tal it was also nimzo-indian played
katara: i expecta strong novelty from carlsen in the nimzo..
Drekov: hi, Carlsen 1. d4!! :)
malachy: wow, two exclamation marks. must be winning then ;)
KYLE: hellooooo,
Drekov: sure malachy ;)
magnuschess: e4 , 1-0 ;)
Zeblakob80: c4 ...
Drekov: noooo is d411 1 - 0
malachy: d4 Nf6, now what? white is toast ;)
balibaloche: hi all
Zeblakob80: a4 h5 a5 h4 1/2.
zugzwang: at classic time control the score is 2-2
Drekov: 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4! and the white are better
balibaloche: no commentary today ?
KYLE: 1.h3!!
noiq: we need commentary!
Drekov: me too!
zugzwang: carlsen is late
katara: they are both really great players and they produce beautiful games when playing each other
magnuschess: is there any commentary ?
Destrudo: this should be awesome! Kramnik is out for revenge after London. My money is on 1.c4
magnuschess: where is ipatov ;) ?
katara: no they went to comment on giri..
ArcticStones3: How about 1 f4? Reverse Dutch...
mujnick: 1. d4 Ng6 2.c4 has been already played
mujnick: *Nf6
zugzwang: 2. ... e6
trentreznor: Destrudo wouldn't Kramnik have prepd something against c4?
corcunda_fish: bird
balibaloche: I guess the winner will win the tournament
Destrudo: Ng6? The Martian King's Indian?
rodrigol: queens gambit
Cercatore: go magnus
waustad: Catalan
rodrigol: catalan
rodrigol: go,Kramnik!
Zeblakob80: waw catalan ....
Destrudo: Trentreznnor: probably, but Carlsen could have something better! Wow a Catalan okay this is new stuff for Magnus as far as I'm aware
katara: carlsen is going for the draw??
Goran: good day everyone, GM Bauer will join as in about 30 minutes
KYLE: Go kramnik
nabor: good news !!
Drekov: where is Ipatov?
Destrudo: c4 is the weakness in kingside fianchetto systems for white. Already Kramnik is having a think, all good
schwam: hello Bauer
katara: welcome goran!
Zeblakob80: One day a GM had prepared a line with white and in some game he found himself playing it with Black.
KYLE: Goran is ok if Ipatov is not here:)
ArcticStones3: Excellent, Göran! In the meantime we shall appreciate your good commentary, no?
trentreznor: Isn't Kramnik an expert in the Catalan?
Drekov: I understand an Ipatov comment
magnuschess: why kramnik is taking his time
KingsGambit20: This is gonna be an exciting game :D
mujnick: Kramnik always plays 4...dxc4
Destrudo: Kramnik is expert in King's Indian, which has a fianchetto variation for white, but the black pawn structure here doesn't match that.
Zeblakob80: if dxc4 Bg2 b5? a5 c6 axb cxb Ne5 Nd5 ... etc
ArcticStones3: I’m cheering for Ivanchuk and Karjakin today. :)
Drekov: 4. ... c6!?
ckuttruff: Morning Sean
Goran: Ipatov covers Giri-Muzychuk
greenknight: well this should be good. although the last game these two played was so high level neither the commentators or computers had any idea what was going on :p
Zeblakob80: the main line I think is dxc4 ...
Destrudo: white's strategy is for d5. Morning ck!
MrMagoo: hi, Go Chucky for ever. I woudl like a draw here.
ArcticStones3: @Greenknight: Yes, that was an astounding game!
Destrudo: strange move, IMO. Giving up central control
Destrudo: b5??
Drekov: is not stange move, is normal in catalan system
Zeblakob80: if 5...b5? a4 c6 axc bxc Ne5! Nd5 .. I analysed this someday ...
Drekov: Ipatov please cover this game!
KingsGambit20: if b5 ne5?
Destrudo: this is good cos Kramnik is taking a long time, so he must be surprised and out of any prep already. Really Drekov okay I don;t know it, but I wouldn't play dxc4
checkmate666: wow, playing the Catalan against Kramnik, the greatest expert on the opening...
KingsGambit20: but carlsen can play anything
Zeblakob80: It is interestin for a club player to prepare himself against the weak move b5 ...
zugzwang: i think kramnik just waits untill all photographers have taken their pictures
ckuttruff: lol
MagnusCarlsberg: i guess it's like carlsen once said on twitter: "white against kramnik. what to do?"
katara: kramnik obviously didn't expecting this..
jayestom: could be just relay delay...most likely
Drekov: if 5. ... b5?! 6 Nc3 c6?? 7. Nb5 cxb5 8. Ne5! +-
greenknight: don't think it is delay, chucky-shirov are moving at regular pace
Destrudo: Short is playing a crazy f4 sicilian in his game with Nge2
Zeblakob80: as far as I know , the best book on the catalan is that of Shipov (In russian) ~ 400 pages !!!
Destrudo: Naka Karjakin also looks interesting
noiq: heard rumours carlsen picked it up yesterday and read it befor this :P
greenknight: kramnik's comments on the last game were hilarious
Malassise: hm, was hoping for c5
KingsGambit20: Bb4+ :D
checkmate666: I think he picked this for psychological reasons, it's hard to play against yourself, as Kramnik must feel he does now
katara: any comments by goran??
Stokkeland: when will Kosteniuk start commentating?
Zeblakob80: Kasparov used the catalan with succes in his london match (semi final) against Korchnoi
Zeblakob80: but the theory changed a lot ..
jayestom: it*s easy to play against yourself...I always win when I do that
Drekov: Goran or Ipatov I nedd Comment!! ;)
miketwyble: following some of his games with topalov. Kramnik very much at home
katara: yes when will kosteniuk start commenting so i won't come here?? :))
Goran: Kosteniuk will join us during Linares
balibaloche: it will be a tactical game
Destrudo: it's hard to get an advantnage after dxc4 apparently, white has to be patient although there is some space advantage. So I think we can expect a long manouvering game
shahost: ups
KingsGambit20: so a3 was better? then Nc3?
KingsGambit20: its equal now
schwam: when will Linares?
greenknight: don't pay any attention to the computer evaluations for now
Goran: next month
Destrudo: Kg: I think this must still be theory, so the engine eval doesn't mean too much
checkmate666: a3 is just a waste of tempo, the bishop wont stay on b4 forever anyway
Malassise: yeah, i prefer playing this positions with black
KingsGambit20: yeah thats right maybe in the middlegame , more interesting to look at
schwam: chessbomb will be present?
Goran: yes
Zeblakob80: the main problem is that there is no (illegal) link to a book on the catalan so far...
Drekov: any comment for the game?
checkmate666: this is now more of a Bogo-Indian than Catalan btw
KYLE: Any comment from Goran?
Goran: nothing much to be said, Kramnik can be deadly with white in catalan, but carlsen also achieved some great victories
siamesedream: Hello all
siamesedream: No English this time?
Malassise: don't think a3 is a waste of time
KingsGambit20: this is open catalan
MrMagoo: agree Mala, bishop on b4 is always bothering
lukacsy: at-least we can see now how to play against the catalan :)
manCatur: i like MC position
jayestom: what do you think about a3 Goran? A waste of time or is there a specific purpose?
lukacsy: I mean: from Kramnik side
HetMes: Anybody with a database who cares to keep us aprised of the number of games that have had the positions we see
d_ahura: cxd5 variation usually means black must do some contortionist tricks on the q side. Bb4+ makes it a bit Ragozin bogo indian like and stops white plans where the white b square bishop lands on a5 and impedes the c pawn push
Stokkeland: got a feeling Carlsen will win today
d_ahura: *dxc4
Goran: it's not a waste, black should decide what to do with the bishop. if he goes back, white can push e4
checkmate666: but there is a difference between playing a3 now and before Nc3
Cercatore: Kramnik has to move the B only in e7 or d6
jayestom: if he goes back, most likely to e7 or is d6 decent?
MagnusCarlsberg: in my opinion carlsen has had quite poor results with catalan as white: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?yearcomp=exactly&year=&playercomp=either&pid=52948&player=&pid2=&player2=&movescomp=exactly&moves=&opening=E01-E09&eco=&result=
miketwyble: d6 encourages e4 perhaps
rodrigol: ... Be7 e4 C5 looks good for me
jayestom: doesn*t that lose to e5?
juanitoguate: I have a 5MM database and this position has only happened once! that is fascinating as we are only on move 8! By the way, that game was won by white
jayestom: Bd6 e4 c5 e5 cxd4 nb5
krussedull: wow, check out ivanchuk-shirov now, wild game
d_ahura: Be7 is more fruitfully followed by Qa4 IMO
Malassise: Bxc3 9.bxc3 c5 10.dxc5 Nbd7 looks good for me
ckuttruff: wow, no kidding. really interesting stuff
Destrudo: Wasn't that line played in Caruana Leko?
DrKnowNothing: shirov vs ivanchuk game is already on move 20
Destrudo: the present Ivanchuk Shirov game?
Zeblakob80: Destrudo, yes.
krussedull: ivanchuk have played 20 moves and still has 1:40 on his time :D
RedJimenez: when was the last classical games Carlsen lost?
Zeblakob80: to Toplalov I guess in Sophia ..
Cercatore: in 1999, he was 11yr old and smoked a marijoana
zugzwang: i think at Dortmund against Kramnik
Matousek: yes
Malassise: wasn't linares against wang yue?
Destrudo: he lost a game to Kramnik the time before London as well
Destrudo: Kramnik is the best at not getting beaten though, he had an 80+ streak, more games than the famous 8 years without loss of Capablanca
magnuschess: no he lost a game shirov at mtlel masters and then he didnt lose any game from his last 36 games
jayestom: before London? so pre-roman times ten
jayestom: then
HetMes: In this line, at what move can we expect a deviation from theory?
vaughn: is this catalan
Destrudo: lol before London =0) you know what I meant
juanitoguate: Be7 is already out of book
Trond: 8 years old (most of 1999)
vaughn: cause i know that kramnik is an expert of it
Destrudo: magnuschess: thanks. So it's 36 games, still very impressive
jayestom: he came quite close to losing once or twice
magnuschess: yes he is the solidest player in the world now
Destrudo: especially when you consider every time you play a GM it's like playing Rybka
ArcticStones3: @Destrudo: If Carlsen survives today’s challenge, he is almost halfway to Kramnik’s 80+ streak of undefeated games. :)
zugzwang: Dortmund was later that year, so his last lost was against kramnik
Destrudo: awesome!
magnuschess: no his last lose against shirov you dont know
jayestom: I bet if he gets to 80, he´ll have more wins than kramnik did too
Destrudo: zugzwang: what about his loss to Shirov?
zugzwang: that was before Dortmund started
Matousek: loss to Shirov was MTel
d_ahura: If Qa4 then after the natural c5 we have a classical grunfeld with colours reversed and a couple of tempi and a weakness achieved as pluses for white after dxc5 Bxc5 Qxc4
zugzwang: carlsen lost to shirov on 05/23 and against Kramnik on 07/10
vaughn: going for c4 pawn is dull,this will be a drawish game
jayestom: qd3 qc7
noiq: todays first draw-comment :)
Goran: still way to early for draw
rat9836771834: @ goran which variation of QGD is this?
vaughn: catalan?
jayestom: this is the catalan
Goran: this is Catalan, but now looking a bit like that Slav with early Qc2 and g3
malachy: go barca
rat9836771834: kramnik won with white using catalan in his champion ship match agaisnt topalov! it was a wow game!
Destrudo: zugzwang: where are you getting these facts?
Goran: 9...c5 was "more natural", but Kramnik's c6 can turn to be sharper
zugzwang: at chessgames.com
vaughn: @rat:in that match he faced the catalan too,and he managed it
Destrudo: what about the c6 pawn, it's so weak now, and a bad hole at c5. Maybe Magnus is happy to provoke this
zugzwang: just look for carlsens games in 2009
Goran: in general, he is playing sharper than before, perhaps the break after match with Anand helped
Destrudo: ok - thanks =0)
Trond: jhe said he should play sharper and he has
rat9836771834: vaughn which match u talkin abt?
vaughn: kramnik topalov
Goran: I like this change in his style, reminds me of Kramnik in 90's
rat9836771834: wat abt it? that match he was white. played very enterprising chess 2 level the championship!
vaughn: topalov played the catalan against kramnik also
rat9836771834: yes but kramnik was white!
rat9836771834: thats wat im saying!
vaughn: he was also black in one game
rat9836771834: did he win that won? im not sure?
jayestom: didn't Qd3 ensure better central control? Or was Ba6 the threat?
Goran: Qd3 can be loose in some lines
Goran: idea b4
RoepStoep: don't worry guys, Carlsen knows what he's doing
jayestom: Ba6 stops e4, right?
rat9836771834: @goran can u plz explain ba6!
ckuttruff: postpones castling?
vaughn: @rat:i've checked,i was wrong,only kramnik played it with white
Goran: yes, idea is to push b4
trentreznor: Ba6 protects b5, develops prepares push b5-b4
jayestom: I guess if e4 now, then b4 stops white castling, and white wants to play those two moves
rat9836771834: vaughn: yes.. i followed the championship pretty closely and the leko one as well!
jayestom: rd1 gets my vote here
captainslog: Castle Magnus. 12 a4 just means the Q will fall back to c2 and Blacks light squared Bishop is locked in
ArcticStones3: No, I think Qc2 is preferable.
Garnoth: isnt Ba6 just preventing white from castling
Garnoth: because then the e pawn will fall
RoepStoep: how?
Garnoth: oh wait, Na2 and the b-pawn is also hanging, hmmm
captainslog: e pawn is procted by Nc3
ckuttruff: cause if 0-0, then b4
Garnoth: which you chase by b4
Garnoth: second line by Rybka, although it doesnt take the e-pawn
rat9836771834: @goran can u explain black's attack plan in a nut shell! im not familiar with QGD! plz!
balibaloche: garnoth u forgot RxR
Garnoth: not after Na2, which rybka plays
jayestom: 0-0 must be the most drawish continuation...
captainslog: if Magnus' Night goes to a2 it would eagerly be eyeing b4
GMChristianBauer: Hello everyone, sorry for being late !
captainslog: where is your note Christian? ;-)
siamesedream: Hi
rcfchess: N can also go to d1 to keep a-file pin on B open
Drekov: well if better late that never!
GMChristianBauer: Kramnik is planning ...b5-b4 obviously
Goran: welcome Christian!
alnoth: isnt that too much profylactics to put your knight in a corner like that?
rcfchess: 0-0, b4; ab ab; Nd1 Nbd7; Re1 followed by e4 and Ne3
siamesedream: whats the best move for Carlsen here?
jayestom: isn*t ne5 possible?
alnoth: i meant for Na2
GMChristianBauer: if the Nc3 moves then ...Nbd7 followed by ...c5
GMChristianBauer: should be quite fine for Black
Garnoth: I quite like this for black, it seems white has problems with piece coordination
GMChristianBauer: or maybe...c5 at once even
Drekov: Bauer Is this one a theoretical position?
RoepStoep: WHy not take the e2 pawn? Doesn't that seriously weaken d4 for white?
GMChristianBauer: ...Ba6 is of course a "strange" move, but it poses concrete problems
manCatur: MC still in good form..no crushing for now
dha07: what is carlsen thinking about... i can't imagine that this is out of his preparation
GMChristianBauer: I don't think this position ever occurred before Drekov
dha07: why he plays the catalan against KRAMNIK
GMChristianBauer: because 7.Nc3 instead of 7.Qc2 is already rare
manCatur: influence by Kasparov
GMChristianBauer: @dha07 : surprise effect ?
onionbud: like naka did 2 days before dutch to Kramnik
Garnoth: I always like the fact that the catalan is basically a very safeoption for white, but when Kramnik faces it with black he always goes for the sharp and unbalanced options
Drekov: I see a little better the black
rodrigol: speak about this posicion Christian!
Garnoth: kasparov to my knowledge only played catalan against smyslov and korchnoi in candidate matches
theNorth: Have we lost connection?
dha07: @GMChrstianBauer .. maybe it's because of the surpirse effect, but he is playing against one of the best players in the world and maybe the best player in the catalan system
GMChristianBauer: that's what I'm doing rodrigol !
monozevich: Rd1!?
GMChristianBauer: 12.Qc2 seems sensible now
rodrigol: ok!
GMChristianBauer: the idea is to somehow inder ...c6-c5
GMChristianBauer: hinder
GMChristianBauer: after ...b5-b4 Nc3-a4 or Nc3-e4
rat9836771834: GMChristianBauer can u explain blacks attack plan in a nut shell plz!
shahost: What about Qc2 b4 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Qd5
RedJimenez: two of Kasparov's best pupils.. (Kramnik was Kasparov's Apprentice before)
onionbud: 1st e4 now c4 putting a N on d5 is resourcefull cos e4 ll weak d4 n g2_b7 diagonal.
GMChristianBauer: maybe Ne5 then, shahost
babaali9: Kramnik, the apprentice who stepped on the black side :)
GMChristianBauer: Black has got two short-term ideas here
shahost: ai ai
GMChristianBauer: ...b5-b5 and ...c6-c5
onionbud: good move
GMChristianBauer: this move is indirectly fighting vs ...c6-c5
Garnoth: kramnik will never play rybkas top line, gxf?
Garnoth: wait, it changed already :P
GMChristianBauer: because in case of Bxf6 Bxf6 c5 isn't covered
GMChristianBauer: anymore
GMChristianBauer: sometimes Bxf6 gxf6 is reasonable for Black
Ipatov: White has to fight for c5 square
GMChristianBauer: since it isn't easy for his opponent to profit from the kingside weaknesses
shahost: good point
Garnoth: it might be reasonable, I just dont really see Kramnik playing it
Garnoth: although he has changed in the last year, thats clear
rodrigol: Can be Nbd7,covering the f6 knight
gabrielconroy: yeah Nbd7 looks good in terms of c5 as well
vedantgoswami: Nbd7 13.Ne5 maybe
manCatur: i think b4 are welcome by MC
MrMagoo: move 12 of white is bec they want to play e4, or Ne4 something lilke that?
rodrigol: "my " move,hehe
magnuschess: are you looking for rybkas lines ;)
GMChristianBauer: now after Bxf6 Black gets the Bishop-pair but has to make a concession
RoepStoep: c5
GMChristianBauer: if gxf6 weaknesses on the kingside
vaughn: after rybka white will not castle to soon,let's see if this mean anything
GMChristianBauer: if Nxf6 then Ne5 is coming
rodrigol: ok!
GMChristianBauer: and if Bxf6 Ne4 becomes possible
GMChristianBauer: on the other hand these concessions aren't big ones
checkmate666: but many small concessions can turn into big trouble
Zeblakob80: if c5 Nxb5? c4 Qa4 Nb6 ...
balibaloche: The bischop in a6 is still a problem and maybe for a long time ...
katara: what???gxf6??
checkmate666: I thought he would take longer to think about this
Garnoth: ok, yeah, in this case I can see why gxf is much better than Nxf
cashparov: protcets e5 square
vaughn: the new kramnik
Capuzzi: It' strange
handbanana: insta-reply . at least one of them is in his prep still
Garnoth: Nxf6 grabs the bishop pair but black is just very passive after that, Ne5 is coming
Drekov: why gxf6, why not Nxf6?
RoepStoep: or je recapture is just obvious to keep control of c5 and e5
Garnoth: thanks GM Chris, wouldnt have come to that conclusion myself, guess I am still too dogmatic
checkmate666: not necessarily prep, but he may have decieded already before he played Nbd7 that he had to recapture with the pawn
GMChristianBauer: you're welcome garnoth
juanitoguate: ...gxf6 protects e5 and opens the g file for an assault on the king's side
GMChristianBauer: exactly checkmate666
GMChristianBauer: I doubt Kramnik had prepared so far
GMChristianBauer: but in general, as a Catalan player with White
MrMagoo: looking very drawish so far. unless a blunder, but these 2 guys, do not blunder often lately.
Garnoth: the rook on g8 wont do much against a fianchetto setup, so that is a waste of time I think
GMChristianBauer: he has got a good feeling
checkmate666: naturally he knows what moves to avoid
GMChristianBauer: of what Black can afford
Matousek: the draw prediction genie has left the bottle
tyrtanic: Nxf6 might also simply fail to Ne5
juanitoguate: the rook will activate through the g file and press d4 probably
krussedull: matousek, hehe!
magnuschess: can white think 0-0-0 ?
checkmate666: the pawn structure is too unbalanced to start peace talks, a lot of play left still, and Carlsen will try to win with white
juanitoguate: 0-0-0 is risky
laldonkaments: suicide
shahost: c5 maybee
GMChristianBauer: too risky
GMChristianBauer: White can't really attack on the kingside
gewgaw: +-
rcfchess: Rc8
Zeblakob80: magnuschess, in a blitz game (in a café) I would try O-O-O
Garnoth: why play 0-0-0 in the first place, the king is much safer on g1
GMChristianBauer: and opening lines on the queenside is very easy
laldonkaments: i wouldn't even consider 0-0-0 in a blitz game
Malassise: what you guys think about Qb6 now ?
sidiklikertenkele: if white makes 0-0-0 its mate in 49 moves for blcak..chessmaster last version gives it..
rcfchess: Rc8 looks natural but Rybka doesn't consider it!
manCatur: serve no purpose
valmy: Hi there, Hi Christian
magnuschess: vay buralara türkler uğrarmıymış :D
Zeblakob80: slt valmy ..
sidiklikertenkele: türkler buralardan çıkmaz ki
GMChristianBauer: many moves maintain the balance here
manCatur: English pls
GMChristianBauer: it looks like it's a matter of taste
shahost: c5 rd1 b4 na4 is one
GMChristianBauer: between ...b4, ...f5, ...Qmoves
Drekov: now what? Which is the best plan for the black?
Malassise: i agree, c5 looks natural for me rybka isn't considering also
rcfchess: GM Bauer, doesn't ...Rc8 prepare c5?
GMChristianBauer: well ...Rc8 wasn't needed to play ...c5
checkmate666: I think the reason why Rybka doesn't suggest Rc8 is simply because there is no way to be sure c8 is the right square for the rook. Like now the b-file might very well be more attractive.
rodrigol: b4!
rodrigol: go kramnik!
sidiklikertenkele: cone kramnik
LaFreak: is this VK of 1990s?
GMChristianBauer: this activates the Ba6 and forces White to choose a square for the Nc3
babaali9: what about Na4 now?
Garnoth: yep, he already mentioned after his match with Anand that he had to go back to his 90s attitude
gabrielconroy: wow babaali9, you're a genius!
magnuschess: maybe then Nc5 ?
GMChristianBauer: yes, Ne4 f5 wasn't too good
vaughn: Qb8 is nice now
LaFreak: what is his attitude of VK in 90s?
shahost: a few exchanges of pawns and white castles :)
Garnoth: in the 90s kramnik used to play much more aggresive chess and take risks, with some really brilliant games as a result
Matt_Tsjakk: Feels like Carlsen is one step behind today.. No good (start the dance)
Garnoth: look up his black win against kasparov in dos hermanas 1996
GMChristianBauer: I like ...Qb8 here
Zeblakob80: LaFreak, this is Kramnik version 3.1. The version 2.0 defeated kasparov. The version 3.0 looks like 1.0. The version 3.0 played gainst Anand.
GMChristianBauer: with the ideas ...Qb5 and also ...Rc8 next ...c5
rodrigol: I just remember againg Van Wely in the Sveshnikov
rodrigol: *against
amirhamed: Bd6
LaFreak: I get in Garnot, nwei accdg to Giri Carlsen's play is too dry yet he is a strong player
GMChristianBauer: White then has to spend more time defending e2 before he can castle
arzberger: ...bxa3 16.bxa3 c5 looks good
shahost: wh with qb8 then 0-0 looks good
greenknight: dry?
sidiklikertenkele: רוב הספרים החיצוניים ורוב המגילות הגנוזות. המקרא נכתב בעברית מקראית, ואילו המשנה נכתבה בניב הקרוי לשון חז"ל
Malassise: i like bxa3 with Rc8 then c5
RoepStoep: I can't read anymore!
frogbert: no comment on Ivanchuk-Shirov ? really interesting game of the leader
arzberger: qb8 is a computer move and looks a bit artificial
Zeblakob80: How can Black create such threats easy without sacrifying any thing (pawn structure??)
checkmate666: how moves look is of no concern to modern chessplayer, the only thing that matters is if it works or not.
lukacsy: @fogbert: yes, they were follwoing Leko-Caruana until now
frogbert: ah thanks, so it's all theory?
shahost: @frogbert what is MC LR with w/d/l after todays game
RoepStoep: lol, that depends if he wins, loses or draws
onionbud: opening choice is unsuccessfull then. at least morally .
RoepStoep: but currently it is 2813.5
Matt_Tsjakk: w: 2818,2 d: 2813,2 l: 2808,2
babaali9: GMBauer: what about 15...Qb8. 16 0-0
shahost: thx
sidiklikertenkele: ラドクリフ、マラソン五輪代表に1万m出場にも含み
vaughn: Qb5 b3 and the night is falling
magnuschess: if kramnik takes 3 wins he will break 2800 ;)
vaughn: al quaida?
sidiklikertenkele: if carlsen wins he will break 2820
babaali9: vaughn: Qb5 is followed by a:b4
babaali9: and the knight escapes
onionbud: why not b3 after qb5
vaughn: e2 pawn is falling then
babaali9: and if Q:e2, follows Q:c6
lukacsy: @frogbert: I think 22 Qd5 was the first new move
arzberger: Qb8 16.0-0 Qb5 17.axb4 Qxe2
babaali9: 18 Q:c6
vaughn: Bb5?
arzberger: rybka evaluates this as equal but im not so sure
babaali9: Qc1, perhaps?
vaughn: a4 knight?
babaali9: vaughn: and if B:a4, R:a4 equal position
vaughn: maybe it's posible u're line
arzberger: i still like the more natural bxa3 16.bxa3 c5
rodrigol: prepairing c5!
vaughn: anyway he played rc8
rodrigol: *preparing
babaali9: I'd play 0-0 now
greenknight: now maybe White exchanges on b4 instead?
Destrudo: gxf6 - very strange, especially as white has faichettoed - at least we can expect some sharp imbalance
monbron: rc8 looks a bit illogical, diverting heavy artillery from the battle zone
Malassise: i'd play 0-0 also
Destrudo: these two always play great games! Their styles seem to complement each other for dynamic play
shahost: 0-0 bxa3 bxa3 c5 d5 exd5 Rfd1
magnuschess: 16. axb4 Bxb4 ?
ManMachine: GMChristianBauer: how weak/strong is the c6-pawn!?
shahost: and mc will get his knight on f5 afterall :)
rodrigol: I just remember Ksparov x Karpov (bad comparation,of course)
Goran: c6 will be pushed soon
GMChristianBauer: @Manmachine : everything is ready for ...c5, so that the "c" pawn can't be considered weak
bestiaplayer: Ne5 is too strong, so black played gxf6
MrMagoo: I like that continuation magnuschess, then pushing c6
GMChristianBauer: like Goran said
GMChristianBauer: a drastic measure from White would be to play Nc5 himself
shahost: :)
Pam: In his last game Kramnik says ... "Carlsen is not bad ..." :D
balibaloche: it was time to castle
arzberger: maybe 16.00 bxa3 17.bxa3 c5
shahost: if c5 then d5
Malassise: i'd play bxa3 before c5
GMChristianBauer: but then his own "c" pawn would require protection
frogbert: thanks lukaczy
magnuschess: i dont like black's queens's position , maybe kramnik wants to build it
GMChristianBauer: clearly the principled continuation
malachy: Kramnik is not bad either
shahost: will kramnik allow the knight on f5?
Garnoth: my rybka 3 gives d5 as the strongest, 0.38
GMChristianBauer: if Magnus doesn't go d4-d5 the black Bishops may play a significant role
ManMachine: is there any success in attacking black king with Qe4!?
tanera: d5 is +0.4 for rybka 3
usered: I think Kramnik used/es Catalas as White - so why Carlsen uses that opening?
Garnoth: After Qe4 just f5 and all squares are under controll
arzberger: d5 is = at my rybka 3
GMChristianBauer: can Black ignore that pawn ?
GMChristianBauer: and just play ...Nb6
checkmate666: d5 certainly looked like the most natural response
Garnoth: Bb5 is also possible
rodrigol: no,e x d5 looks forced ,to me
babaali9: what about e:d5 followed by Nh4-Nf5?
GMChristianBauer: White would surely get nice compensation after ...exd5 Nh4-f5
arzberger: exd5 nh4 and compensation
Garnoth: engines say it isnt
krussedull: great knight on a4 :/
ManMachine: the g-line looks like an opening for an attck from white..
spektator: is kramnik now only weighing bxa3 vs c5?
magnuschess: no , g line is not suitable for attacking
shahost: wee
dha07: uhhh
greenknight: wow, a pawn sac
greenknight: isnt the black centre somewhat threatening though?
Garnoth: white has very nice compensation
greenknight: i know he gets f5
GMChristianBauer: a brave decision
arzberger: maybe 18.Rfd1first forcing d4
GMChristianBauer: why not Rfd1 d4 Qf5 ?
krussedull: im guessing the extra pawn is irrelevant with the upcoming attack on the kingside
checkmate666: and again after taking very little time to calculate
GMChristianBauer: with the idea Nf3 somewhere and then Be4
Garnoth: hmm, hold on, this is going to get stormy
Randall: yes Kramnik is winning
GMChristianBauer: not really Randall...
handbanana: Rfd1 is +0.5 and rising for white
rodrigol: great storm!
Randall: why not he must have a advantage atleast
cashparov: white gest f5 outpost in kasparov style...
Stokkeland: what about this kinght on a4, it might be staying there for along time
checkmate666: Yes, Rybka 3 didn't like exd5 at all
Garnoth: nope, according to the engines white is better
sidiklikertenkele: 18.Kh1 Kh8 and draw agreed and ivanchuk still in toilette
Sapin3sk: but Kramnik played it quickly
vaughn: this is kasparov influence giving something to get an attack;it seems to me that carlsen is in his prep
Randall: I don't believe that look at blacks beautiful pieces
hazza: GM bauer, you said Qf5 for white? there's the e2 pawn unprotected, isn't the queen there to hold it?
GMChristianBauer: I said Rfd1 first hazza
manCatur: not yet bebey,mc has in mind
onionbud: what about tarrasch rule
balibaloche: Next black move could be Qe8
magnuschess: Nh4 looks strong
Malassise: think next black move is d4
Randall: Labourdonnais pawn march
GMChristianBauer: in order to get the e4 square for the Bg2 after ...d5-d4
mesw: i don't undertstand d5
ManMachine: Bh3?
Garnoth: Rfd1 seems to be a crucial move though
checkmate666: Rybka 3 over on chessok has Rfd1 as best move, but the line is very complicated, I doubt any human can calculate all those variations
filipmarko: Rybka 3 says 0.99 ???
tanera: hmm Rfd1 is up to +0.9 according to my rybka 3 x64
GMChristianBauer: then something like 18.Rfd1 d4 19.Qf5 Bxe2 20.Nxd4 looks winning for White
Levon: yes, sacrifice on d4
Randall: winning?
sani: this starts to remind me of london - indechiferable chess
Malassise: i doens't seem this decisive for me
GMChristianBauer: Be4 coming
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wolkor: i like that Qf5 idea
Sapin3sk: don't possible to do Bxe2 Bh5 Bg6 ?
GMChristianBauer: go Etienne !!
ManMachine: Bh3 the Bf5?
tanera: after Rfd1 (0.96): 18...d4 19.Qf5 Bd6 20.axb4 Bxe2 21.bxc5 Bxd1 22.Rxd1 Nxc5 23.Nxd4[] Qe8 24.Nb6 Rd8
mesw: then d5 allow the f5 square for knight ?
ArcticStones3: It seems white has a wealth of aggressive possibilities!
P2kmil: for Rfd1 white gets the upper hand. is it right?
Randall: black has some problems but he has beautiful counter play with the pawns
krussedull: yes i think there's a storm coming here!
Destrudo: black has many weaknesses and white has few
Malassise: very interesting
GMChristianBauer: well, Randall if he doesn't get mated he has got an extra-pawn, true
handbanana: even R3 takes 10 minutes to give Rfd1 over 1.00 score, this gets so complicated
tanera: I think Carlsen got him again
tanera: if herplays Rd1
Randall: SuperGms doesn't get mated
tanera: *he plays
ManMachine: Carlsen is always searching for an attack..like Kasparov!
filipmarko: Kasparov must really hate Kramnik
ArcticStones3: This *is* complicated -- extremely so. White has a lot of compensation for that pawn!
GMChristianBauer: on the other hand 17.d5 was practically forced
Stokkeland: Carlsen plays more like Karpov then Kasparov
GMChristianBauer: in order not to stand worse for White
Destrudo: for example in pawn structure: white has holes at b3 and h3, but the latter is unimportant thanks to the Bg2. Black however has a6,b6,b5,c5,c6,d6,d5,f5,h6,h5,h4!
magnuschess: :D
checkmate666: the only question here is how natural is Rfd1 for a human? He has to see some complicated stuff.
magnuschess: lol
Destrudo: this will surely be a big problem
ArcticStones3: @Destrudo: I love your analysis!
Destrudo: Lol thanks arctic =0)
mesw: d5 is a obvious move for GM but not to normal player
Randall: Is anand going to win today?
ManMachine: Yeah! I was right!!!
Randall: here it gives -.13 i knew black is better
BlitzCrusher: Bh3!
GMChristianBauer: u were right but Bh3 doesn't look like best
Randall: Kramnik will proof that with his positional play
ManMachine: we will se!
RoepStoep: Strange choice, looking to pin the knight or something?
RoepStoep: Why did he do that you think, Christian?
BlitzCrusher: Watch and learn...
arzberger: maybe idea is to put B on f5
Matousek: Bf5 maybe?
checkmate666: Bh3 is not !, it's a blunder, giving away a clear advantage.
GMChristianBauer: because White would possibly have done much bigger damage with Qf5-Be4
GMChristianBauer: than with Qc2-Bf5
babaali9: agreed
rodrigol: I agree ,Bauer
Garnoth: Rc7 looks ok here
DrKnowNothing: nothing on the a8-h1 diagonal to attack so maybe he wants to move it to f5
GMChristianBauer: then even if he manages to play Bf5xh7+ it isn't mate
BlitzCrusher: black's queen and bishop are a little off and so does Black's knight.
onionbud: even Ne5 is playable
laldonkaments: he ran out of orange juice or what?!
RobKing: Rybka aquarium still likes White
GMChristianBauer: Black can also think about ...Ne5 here
GMChristianBauer: yes onion
Destrudo: Christian: how about in conjunction with Rd1 and a rook lift to h4?
shahost: what if kramnik played Nb6 to reply to rd8?
GMChristianBauer: look at Rybka's 1st line
BlitzCrusher: black is uncoordinated
BlitzCrusher: a bit\
GMChristianBauer: ...Rc7 Bf5 Ne5
GMChristianBauer: it wasn't very impressive for White
Sapin3sk: going to be sharp
BlitzCrusher: Bh3 starts a Tal like game
Stokkeland: now my question about the na4 pawn becomes abit more important :p
Destrudo: I think we can rest assured Magnus knows what he's doing. He is the best player in the world aftre all
vaughn: hope kramnik will not be outmanouver like in london
GMChristianBauer: I wonder why he decided against Rfd1
Stokkeland: the knight on a4 i mean obviously
arzberger: its always easyer to see if ur not on the bord ;)
BlitzCrusher: hmm...
Randall: Whites knight is trash
Destrudo: a light square attack on the kingside looks strong for shizzle my nizzles
theNorth: Here we go, that move was fast!
onionbud: unbind q
BlitzCrusher: magic!
Destrudo: it's very hard for black to counter it with his bishop on b5
filipmarko: lol
arzberger: nice play from kramnik so far
Destrudo: Bf5 and white has an edge
babaali9: Rfd1 still works for white
Garnoth: Now that Be4 is not possible Qf5 looses some of its sting
odaat45: I think black is Ok here, Carlsen didn't take the strogest continuation
Garnoth: so on Rfd1 he can play d4 more safely
Destrudo: Bf5 Kh8 Qd2 - $100
balibaloche: Qf5 ?
Destrudo: any takers?
arzberger: Bf5 Ra8
onionbud: if w only has a h7 target for bishop,..
odaat45: Black king should go to g7 rather than h8
Malassise: Bf5 kg7 Rd1 $100
vaughn: carlsen must come with something otherwise he would louse any endgame
vaughn: with this structure
malachy: the connected black b-c-d pawns after rybkas first line look menacing
Destrudo: Bf5 Ra8 Rfd1 +-
krussedull: what about Qd2 with the idea of attack?
siamesedream: Ronnie's crushing Bingham
Destrudo: Shirov is 75 minutes ahead of Ivanchuk
RoepStoep: Bf5, some crazy lines there!
GMChristianBauer: 20.Qd2 was interesting krusseldull
arzberger: Bc6!
Malassise: d4!
ManMachine: blacks pawns on bcd looks strong..bur how strong!?
onionbud: draw shirov chucky
GMChristianBauer: finally he goes Rfd1 anyway
arzberger: its a really unclear position hard to say whos better
magnuschess: d4 is only move , otherwise white is better
ArcticStones3: The strength of the pawns will only count later. First Kramnik has to deal with Carlsen’s growing attack.
Garnoth: d4 is probably forced here
ManMachine: GMChristianBauer - but to late in your opinion!? how strong are the black pawns!?
GMChristianBauer: well I wonder hoaw bad is the ending after 20...Ra8
filipmarko: now kramnik has to calculate the hole Bf6 thing
sidiklikertenkele: BLACKS PAWNS ARE SO MASTURBATIVE..!!!!
arzberger: the na4 is out of play and the pawns will count on the long run
ArcticStones3: Ouch! Don’t shout!
GMChristianBauer: I mean 21.Rxd5 Rxa4 22.Rxa4 Bxa4 23.Qxa4 Nb6 24.Rxd8 Nxa4
greenknight: someone ban this guy
Malassise: now Bf5 right ? otherwise i don't see why the Bh3 move
sidiklikertenkele: Nd2-c4-b3 very very satisfaction
siamesedream: Ivanchuk-Shirov 1/2
BlitzCrusher: why not QF5 before?
filipmarko: pretty sure bf5 will come
sidiklikertenkele: ivanchuk1-shirov1
GMChristianBauer: or b2-b3 next Nb2
RoepStoep: I really like this position!
HetMes: Is that Turkish, sidiklikertenkele?
RoepStoep: I don't know why though :p
sidiklikertenkele: greek
Skylark: black's pawns look rather daunting..
RoepStoep: b3 + Nb2 looks attractive for the future
BlitzCrusher: Qf5?
BlitzCrusher: then Qh5
Levon: Qf5-h5 and Bf5? or Nd4 and Rd4
HetMes: No, it's not Greek
BlitzCrusher: Qf5, Qh5 Be4
Hortensius: These pawns are cramping whites position
Destrudo: it's not chess either. How can a knight move from c4 to b3?
BlitzCrusher: Bf5
Destrudo: he needs to cut down on the Ouzo
BlitzCrusher: Qf5 Qh5 Bf5
Levon: it is too slow
sidiklikertenkele: Nd2-c4 is the sunshine in the darkness of the spotless mind
arzberger: after qf5 black takes on e2
filipmarko: GM Bauer do you prefer the b3 line?
RoepStoep: Shirov drew, so I hope this game won't draw too, creating a tie for 1st
sfinx: counter strike!!! com on carlsen.. kill him... make it bloody
captainslog: Bf5 makes more sense before b3
Destrudo: Bf5 surely as it keeps initiative
sidiklikertenkele: caruana took sportsshoe first time during the chessgame
arzberger: h5 looks crazy
sfinx: nice.. nice like a lot
greenknight: i guess now it's easier to see that putting the queen there woudl have been better
ManMachine: well the white knight has a bad position and will maybe do better on b2?
BlunderSuck: h4 is so much crazy
Destrudo: white can make a knight outpost on c4. But I think there are better jobs for the knights
ArcticStones3: It seems Carlsen can win back the pawn, at least.
GMChristianBauer: 21...h6 ?
magnuschess: b3-Nb2-Nc4 maneuvre looks good but slow
sidiklikertenkele: 21..h6??
Bezo: dont worry about the knight
sascha1975: hello everyone
sidiklikertenkele: hello
sfinx: the threath is qe4-qh4 and mate :-P
sidiklikertenkele: how are u sascha?
GMChristianBauer: well it is playing with fire, but Black may not be forced to give the pawn back
ManMachine: black has to get a rook playable on g8+h8?!
Destrudo: I think Magnus is going for the long win here: win back the pawn, trade off light bishops, and win the endgame due to the doubled f pawns
Destrudo: and isolated h pawn
magnuschess: it is not impossible i think ;)
alnoth: what does the rybkas Kg7 move do?
BlitzCrusher: if they draw shirov still leads
sidiklikertenkele: whats is the threat for black Qe4 or communism?
frogbert: yes destrudo; h2-h4-h5-h6-h7h8Q :o)
GMChristianBauer: Kg7 avoids Bxh7 with check, which means that White may
Destrudo: lol frogbery yes that too!
GMChristianBauer: take back the pawn later on, but he may have to surrender his initiative
Destrudo: Fritz is saying h6 with an edge to white
P2kmil: what about managing Q to e4 and h4?
Bompi: that is a really powerful bishop on f5
alnoth: ah, so its just fighting for a tempo
ArcticStones3: If Re8 and Nf8, then Magnus can play BxRc8, no? And perhaps then pick up the pawn.
MagnusCarlsberg: nah, carlsen will transfer his queen to the kingside, then sacrifice his Nf3 on d4, retake with Rd1 and mate Kramnik in the g- and h-file :)
GMChristianBauer: yes alnoth, but a tempo is quite valuable here
sidiklikertenkele: tempo or freedom?
GMChristianBauer: if White starts to attack sharply
usered: what about Qe4-g4+/h4
GMChristianBauer: like Qe4-g4-h5
sidiklikertenkele: i dont like
GMChristianBauer: and then Nxd4 at some point
sidiklikertenkele: its so slow
babaali9: black can defend the mate on h7 with his knight
Destrudo: Qe4 h4 and black is in trouble surely?
sidiklikertenkele: nooo:))
magnuschess: i think kramnik will use his time here so much
sidiklikertenkele: i dont think so
Bompi: next move due in 20 minutes i think
GMChristianBauer: so far I don't see what is seriously wrong with ...h6
sidiklikertenkele: nothing wrong
GMChristianBauer: then if the white Queen comes to g4 Black replies Kh8
BlitzCrusher: ...h6 is good
BlitzCrusher: ur right Bauer
GMChristianBauer: if it then comes to h4 or h5 Kg7
captainslog: if h6 b3
Destrudo: Or Re8 and Bf8 but black has to be very, very careful
GMChristianBauer: the Na4/Ra1 duet isn't participating in the assault
sidiklikertenkele: Rc8 and Ne5
GMChristianBauer: so that White has to checkmate with the 4 other pieces
GMChristianBauer: if he can
RoepStoep: Doesn't h6 give more initiaztive to white after Qd2?
mujnick: Christian I think that: 21.. h6? 22. Qe4! Re8 23- Qg4 Kh8 24. Nxd4!!
Destrudo: but the black king does not have much defence too
sidiklikertenkele: 24.N*d4!!! sure?
shahost: if white get nf5 h6 fall
Destrudo: gxf6 a very strnage choice IMO, maybe Kramnik did it just to complicate
sidiklikertenkele: yesss
GMChristianBauer: @mujnick : that is of course the big question
Destrudo: Bxc8? No chance!
greenknight: hes returning the pawn to get a nice centre
ArcticStones3: Wow! Drastic choice by Kramnik.
sidiklikertenkele: i knew that Ne5 move
RoepStoep: Carlsen managed very nice to turn gxf6 in a target
RoepStoep: But it was a logical move at the time
greenknight: even ignoring the Bf5 pin..
GMChristianBauer: This is the reason why I suggested not to take ...exd5
GMChristianBauer: but play ...Nb6 instead
Destrudo: and now there is no Nxd4 idea, very imaginative from Kramnik
captainslog: Bxh7+ Kxh7 Qf5 anyone?
arzberger: nxe5 fxe5 b3!?
Destrudo: and If Carlsen does noand now there is no Nxd4 idea, very imaginative from Kramnik
sidiklikertenkele: DD means Deadly Draw!!
odaat45: kxh7??
greenknight: Bxh7 Kxh7 Qxh7
babaali9: N:e5, f:e5, B:c8?
magnuschess: lol
Destrudo: If Carlsen doesn't act quickly there is Ng6 and black can defend. Decision time!
vedantgoswami: lol
BlitzCrusher: ...Bc8 Nf3
BlitzCrusher: gf3
sozinattack: definite move lag here
arzberger: maybe its better to not take h7 immediatly
MrMagoo: captain, I think there is risk on that line, because of Bxe2 after Qf5
Malassise: probably nxe5 is the best move
krussedull: if carlsen cant get this attack goin those black pawns look dangerous
Destrudo: Bxh7 and white has a strong position
filipmarko: Nxe5 fxe6 Bxc8?
balibaloche: two great players
sidiklikertenkele: Bxc8 Qxc8 and Qe4
noiq: WOHO
Bompi: nice
captainslog: Knight exchange next
Bompi: now swap places of queen and bishop
BlitzCrusher: No....
P2kmil: wow. lets see!
BlitzCrusher: Kg7
krussedull: bompi, hehe
vaughn: he grab the pawn but the attack it's over in my opinion
Matousek: yeah, kind of like castling with the queen
BlitzCrusher: Nh4 Bd7
frogbert: whas the wow
sidiklikertenkele: KRAMNIK WILL NOT LOOSE..CANT U SEE!!
captainslog: Rybka says Magnus is edging ahead
RoepStoep: He might lose though
187: captainslog r3 says +0.00
lukacsy: rybka says it is dead draw...
HetMes: Engine analysis says little about how many pitfalls a player has to avoid along the way
RoepStoep: mine syas +0.11
captainslog: 187 tell me what r3 says in 3 moves time. Im sure it will be -
spektator: sidiklikertenkele needs a good long ban. There are 10 messages allowed per minute, and he steals one with his childish nonsense every minute. ACTION!
magnuschess: but in main line it is dead draw , he will play out of main line at some moves
sidiklikertenkele: VALLAMI?
HetMes: I vote for ban on the turkish guy too
magnuschess: yes he must be banned
frogbert: ah we are voting?
onionbud: nice variation ne5 fe bf5 Rc6 not Rh8
frogbert: i want magnuschess banned
mortn: me to
vaughn: me to
frogbert: 3-3
filipmarko: lol
RoepStoep: I vote in favour of banning sidikliker
alnoth: me too
krussedull: i say we ban the word ban
RoepStoep: he's annoying and he can't spell :p
Destrudo: I think everyone should be banned except magnuschess
BlitzCrusher: haha
magnuschess: lol
ctrl_v: ban them both
frogbert: i vote for talking about the game:o)
zugzwang: ban short draws
trentreznor: Repairing his pawns, Kramnik will have no difficulty in the endin
filipmarko: we should ban (no g) each other
BlitzCrusher: if they draw shirov leads
RoepStoep: ban frogbert! he wants to talk about the game!
greenknight: white has to do something about this knight on a4 at some point
ArcticStones3: Ban Ki-moon!
Levon: I vote for banning whoever votes
Destrudo: agreed frogbert. White is better here. But the attack is over and the doubled pawns are gone, so there is not much compensation for losing the bishop pair and Kramnik has mammoth dark square control
frogbert: lol marko why no g!?:o(
usered: ban all except GMBauer
onionbud: now winning move comes by Kramnik
filipmarko: frogbert, are you female?
filipmarko: ;-)
frogbert: no just sound like one..
BlunderSuck: f6 and Kramnik will attack with is new weapon...pawns nuchakoo
captainslog: Ra8 b2
lukacsy: lol
feres: Is Be7 a bad bishop here?
frogbert: on cg that is:p
filipmarko: sound alone wont do it
Goran: yes, but bad bishops defend good pawns - Mihai Suba :)
ArcticStones3: Would it have been better to grab the rook?
Destrudo: a lot of play in the h file now for both sides; a pawn for white and a rook for black
RoepStoep: next move by kramnik looks quite important
alnoth: why do bad things happen to good pawns?
magnuschess: carlsen pushes h pawn
feres: but seems that white squares are weaker for black
BlitzCrusher: black looks better
RoepStoep: lol
Destrudo: Yes, I think potential exchange sac coming up, but Magnus has to decline. Qd6 most likely here
krussedull: can black play c4 here?
monbron: nothing wrong with black's position is excellent except naked king exposed to world's sharpest tactician
Goran: I thought c4
feres: perhaps c4 now is a good strategic good sacrifice
BlitzCrusher: ...c4 b3
GMChristianBauer: ...Rc6 intending ...Rh8 and ...Rch8
Destrudo: c4 b3 c3
Goran: but maybe white takes Rc8, plays Qe4 and then Nb6-d5
GMChristianBauer: with an attack for Black !
GMChristianBauer: Rch6 sorry
Celine: My intuition says that Magnus will win this, because he has an longterm attack going on towards blacks king combined with pressure against blacks vertical pawn row on the fifth row !?
Malassise: i think that's a good plan bauer
siamesedream: OT: Ronnie crushed Bingham in Welsh Open
onionbud: h3
nir: for c4 should white play Qe4 ?
siamesedream: 5-1
alnoth: wouldnt a simple h4 stop activity on h file? seeing as theres no g pawn to push it away...
balibaloche: c4 can wait
ArcticStones3: Is O’Sullivan playing the Welsh Open? :)
sozinattack: as a Carlsen fan i dont see him winning this
GMChristianBauer: well I don't think my plan is very realistic, but once Black has doubled Rooks on h
GMChristianBauer: h2-h4 would call for ...Bxh4!
feres: the best square for black king, is f8?
filipmarko: Kramnik will play Rc7
Destrudo: Surely the bishop belongs on c6 here for black and not the rook as Rybka suggests?
alnoth: yeah, im thinking that line thru right now, but i suppose you are rigth, it would be too strong for black
krussedull: magnus will have to do somehting about his knight, im pretty sure he will start there
inspoes: What about 24. ... Rc6 25. Qe4 ?
ArcticStones3: The question is who can regroup most quickly and best -- and seize the initiative. Far from clear!
GMChristianBauer: ok, destrudo, but where is the Rook doing more
GMChristianBauer: on c7 or along the 6th rank ?
Malassise: nice!!
greenknight: the bishop can reposition after the rook leaves
trentreznor: Kramnik: my hero
captainslog: after b2 White has Nb2 and Nc4! a wonderful outpost for the Knight
RoepStoep: Kramnik: my dog
Destrudo: ok I guess Rh6 next and it's okay, yes
vaughn: good news kramnik still finds good moves
GMChristianBauer: I think this move is virtually forced
Destrudo: looks like black can whip up an attack here
GMChristianBauer: if Magnus wnats to retain some initiative
onionbud: if any1 thinks w giveup bishop , ..
BlunderSuck: good news carslen still finds good moves
GMChristianBauer: b3 was too slow
balibaloche: carlsen is late
Destrudo: Rg8 as a pawn sack looks good
arzberger: ...qc7 now looks good
alnoth: if b3-Nb2-Nc4, then Bxc4 bxc4 and theres is a passer on b file
greenknight: he is playing a knight down at the moment
GMChristianBauer: if White takes e5 at some stage
vaughn: @blundersuc:u mean kramnik :)))))
GMChristianBauer: there would follow Bf6 and then Re8 presumably
GMChristianBauer: with pressure on e2
HetMes: I like ..Qd7, but I'm a Carlsen fan, so...
Destrudo: wow! Sharp play from Kramnik. He is truly a new player
magnuschess: Qxe5
Malassise: think Rg8 was better now
RoepStoep: no need to sack that pawn... why?
captainslog: Qxe5 Bf6!
greenknight: kramnik upping the stakes by offering his iown pawn sac
alnoth: kramnik is not a champion any more - he must play aggressively to get there. no status to "maintain" imho.
RoepStoep: he wins one tempo
Destrudo: Magnus will decline, surely
wolkor: kramnik is one of the best bishop pair players
ArcticStones3: lol. Black’s turn to sacrifice a pawn!
RoepStoep: Either that, or Kramnik has achieved everything already and decides to play fun chess now instead of dull chess
wolkor: Qg4+ Rg6 !?
greenknight: I think white will take
Destrudo: great game in any case, brilliant creativity from both sides, very modern games with the pawn sacs
Celine: Magnus has an easy plan to follow: Attack the king and the fifth pawn row. Black has the psykological disadvantage of forced defence !?
monbron: wonderful game this, Two best players in the world!
Destrudo: pretty much unheard of 100 years ago
tjallen: Kramnik's king is stripped bare
Levon: Rc6 can go to a6 some time, too
spektator: these two players play impressively accurate every time they meet. It's like they bring out the best in eachother. MCs win in London over Kramnik was perhaps the best proof of this.
captainslog: Then b2 Levon
balibaloche: it seems kramnik is not afraid by carlsen
filipmarko: Carlsen is the new Karpov, Nakamura the new Kasparov. to be Coached by Kasparov and playing against Kramnik will give Carlsen the Title...
onionbud: lol fear at this lvl ?
alnoth: none of these players are "afraid" of each other. they have proven themselves over and over. they just want to play best moves.
Destrudo: Kramnik knows that Carlsen is trying to intimidate him with Kasparov as his coach, that's what happened in London, so he's fighting fire with fire, corageous and admirable IMO
Malassise: don't think magnus will decline Qxe5+
krussedull: Qxe5 will give black total initiative, magnus dont like that
onionbud: kramnik worked with Kaspy too
Destrudo: many people are scared of Carlsen now; they all crumbled in the last couple of tourneys
frogbert: i am only scared of his fans
Destrudo: Nan Jing was the best example, it was unbelievable
magnuschess: carlsen's nanjing performance is 3002 ;)
frogbert: not higher?
Destrudo: if Carlsen truly is like Karpov, he won't take on e5. However, you can bet Kasparov would
ArcticStones3: Take your time, Magnus. :)
alnoth: well kramnik beat kasparov in a match when he was in arguably better shape than now as a coach. i think he is fine psychologically.
krussedull: b3 im guessing, its too bad to ignore now
Celine: Magnus is following the plan as I saw: Attack the king and the fifth pawn row. Black has the psycological disadvantage of forced defence !? And now the first pawn is offered to him :-)
onionbud: e5 is the river no return
tjallen: Qe5+ Rf6 and later Bd6
GMChristianBauer: perhaps b3 now
Destrudo: in London Carlsen deliberately steered the game into a position he knew Kramnik would not be comfortable with on the advice of Kasparov and it worked a treat
captainslog: if Rf6 then Nxc5
filipmarko: Capablanca - Petrosjan - Karpov - Kramnik - Carlsen ;-)
Destrudo: with Rh8 Kramnik is throwing down the gauntlet, I find myself supporting him now =0)
magnuschess: i agree ;)
arzberger: 26.b3 Rh6!?
vaughn: @celine:even u don't know what u're talcking anout
DrTom: Qxe5 looks a bit too much like a move Morozevich would play...
frogbert: Karpov-Kramnik-Carlsen-Giri:p
Destrudo: lol @ Dr. Tom touche!
balibaloche: if he takes, b3 is not possible anymore
tjallen: Qe5 Rf6 Nc5 Bc5
filipmarko: btw why Giri changed to the Dutch Federation?
frogbert: I think he lives there
Destrudo: filip: because the Russians have fixed Wrold Chess
DrTom: Cause he's dutch ?
GMChristianBauer: 26.Qxe5 Rf6 27.Nxc5 looks good for White
Zeblakob80: a way to relax : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8819555023820984651&ei=3gVfS4SFHdCr-Aadz9yLCA&q=yve+plat&hl=fr&client=opera#
filipmarko: no he isn't his mum is from Russia his father from nepal
RobKing: White must be careful of Rf6 Bc6 ideas
GMChristianBauer: because of the possibility e2-e4 to support the Bf5 later on
GMChristianBauer: but 26.Qxe5+ Bf6
Cercatore: b3
Destrudo: black just has sacs all over the place if white isn't careful
filipmarko: even living in the Netherlands isn't a reason to betray your home country
GMChristianBauer: I will have to leave soon Goran
Goran: ok Christian
Destrudo: Also, Carlsen is burning time now. He must be at move 40 in hi head though so it's probably okay
GMChristianBauer: anyway, it's getting to wild for me :)
trentreznor: @ filip: it is common practice in chess history for players to switch countries
vaughn: :))))))))
alnoth: so filipmarko if he is from nepal and russia who did he "betray"?
greenknight: they may both end up in time trouble
filipmarko: it doesn't feel right
Destrudo: I can't take this. I'm going to have to go for a sandwich. Brb
siamesedream: whats your score prediction Christaian?
filipmarko: nepal and russia
Randall: Kramnik thinks he is Kasparov
MagnusCarlsberg: what's carlsen's best way to get his a-file pieces into play again? take on c5 or maybe b3?
greenknight: er. your home country is whatever you decide it is...
alnoth: well but he cant play for both russia and nepal...
trentreznor: he takes
alnoth: wooohooo a fight
Drekov: well calls to ipatov!
captainslog: Great
Destrudo: yikes. I don't like the look of dem apples
Andastra: good
frogbert: i don't blame him he wont get support in holland from russian federation
RoepStoep: \o/ Qxe5 \o/
filipmarko: okay I know I'm alone with my opinion but you should honor your home country...
frogbert: yes
frogbert: with some exceptions maybe..
Celine: Magnu's knight stands fine where it now stands, pointing threats to c5 - Combined with the ongoing pressure towards the exposed black king :-)
Destrudo: RoepStoep: that looks like men drowning either side of Qxe5, very appropriate
DrTom: Did anyone informed Carlsen that playing "as Moro" hasn't been a good idea lately ? :(
filipmarko: frogbert you are right......I even think the Russians don't see him as Russian
balibaloche: e2 falls
frogbert: still interesting player
magnuschess: not faliin
filipmarko: sure.... his live not mine
odaat45: the black bishops are really strong here
filipmarko: life
captainslog: if Black takes e2 the Rooks swap and c5 falls
frogbert: i still like white
BlunderSuck: Magnus the "Grinder" Carlsen
HomeyDontPlayDat: white
ivann: good MC
Goran: is c4 possible?
ivann: no!
magnuschess: this game will be draw soon guys
ivann: Positional suicide!
Brumle: harley mc
babaali9: Goran: c4, Qg4+, Rf8, Bd7?
ivann: c4 is madness!!!
HetMes: Judging from the fact that Kramnik has only very few equalizing moves at each move, may we suggest that he may be equal with perfect play, but this is Carlsen's game to win. Or are Kramnik's moves easy to find?
captainslog: MC wants b3 soon to shore up the Queenside and Knight moves to b2
magnuschess: if mc saves his night , white will be ok
onionbud: Rg8_h8
handbanana: madness? c4 is sparta!
Goran: thanks
perskak: Qg4 and Bd7
ivann: be careful...u seem not to comprehend the positional subtleties herein...
siamesedream: Short-Dominuez 1/2
ivann: Short is useless!
tjallen: Then after Nc5 sac theres Ra7
dragin: black's position seems easier to play
Malassise: isn't Qg4 then Be4?
phmilet: Giri is in trouble in Muzychuk - Giri
ivann: u are crazy
Randall: I told you that Kramnik is going to win
ivann: randall u suck...MC is the wineer
ivann: Girir is a giant
odaat45: what is a wineer??
filipmarko: ein würstchen lol
alik: it's a winner misspelled
phmilet: hahahah
Randall: Qh1
phmilet: Genau
ivann: Kh6??
filipmarko: wenigsten jemand hat den witz verstanden
ivann: Kf8.
ManMachine: Bd7?
frogbert: Ivann..Weener? Whiner? what do you mean?
odaat45: maybe a whinger
filipmarko: Weener = Würstchen
Andastra: ich finds witzig
phmilet: Ja, aber sicher können wir das nicht auf Englisch schreiben
Brumle: Be4
frogbert: lustic augh
stopaj22: kramnik's win against nakamura was really a genius one he experience a decrease in his perfomance but he really is a genius player
ivann: Re1 Rc7 then b3!!
magnuschess: kramnik's capacity is not enought to beat carlsen i think ;)
captainslog: MM Bd7 could blow this apart. I like that
jayestom: all of these guys can pull out genius games from time to time - look at Shirov
Elz: why isn't Bd7 good here?
Randall: blacks atack is enormous
odaat45: Bc7? Be2
Randall: because of Be2
Levon: Bd7 Be2
Hortensius: My guts say draw
Cercatore: Bd7
bakalao: we really need Susan Polgar. wake up Susan
filipmarko: one little pawn on g7 and Kramnik would win
Randall: no more Bd7 suggestions please that loses
captainslog: 29 Bd7 Bxe2 30 Bxc6 Bxd1 32 Bxe8 and the Bishop on d1 also falls
chessmountain: Be2
randi: e2 is falling
mortn: Karjakin is about to give naka time trouble ;-)
ivann: Elz u think like a baby
phmilet: two little pawns at c2 and d2 and kramnik would win
Randall: what you play Bd1 instead of Bg4?
ivann: Randall,,,,that move looks gay
captainslog: oh
Gatts: captainslog, if 29. Bd7 Bxe2!
Zeblakob80: I lloked for Polgar and I found her: she is with Botvinnih here http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Q0lTtPVTG40/ShxzqwBQKyI/AAAAAAAAvck/WECOSe3pCME/s400/Susan+and+WC+Mikhail+Botvinnik.jpg
HetMes: Kramnik may blunder, he missed Qh7# once in his career
krussedull: zeblako, ever heard of http://bit.ly? :)
odaat45: ok no more Bd7 suggestions, its a bad move
Malassise: isn't e4 a good move ?
Randall: kramnik missed stalemate against Short
ivann: foolish is Bd7!! FOOLISH
ivann: so what?
ivann: Is MC Short?
randi: yeah and he also was undefeated against kasparov 10 years ago
ManMachine: Be4 has to come!
Malassise: what about e4?
dha07: I think after e4 you give black the open pawn on the d file
ivann: grow up Makassise
phmilet: hahahah ivann's analysis: 30 Bd1 (of course not 30 Bg4 because that's a gay move) ...
odaat45: e4 then c4 and black's pawns are moving
ivann: lol...
filipmarko: a gay move lol
jayestom: e4 c4 is big trouble for white
krussedull: Rd2 then?
siamesedream: nothing more but draw here?
ivann: fag moves from phmilet
tjallen: Amazing at this stage there are 4 moves differing only in .03
balibaloche: Kramnik looks better instead of rybka eval
bakalao: crlsen attacks with to pieces? no way
dha07: Re1 or Be4
Randall: Nc5!! followed by Ra7
arzberger: what about e3?
jayestom: black must be better long term
filipmarko: in the post game analysis Kramnik will say: 29. Bd7 is certainly a gay move
greenknight: yeah cause he bought a book that said that
ivann: filipmarko ur name is gay get lost u fag
odaat45: e3 d3 and then c4
krussedull: randall, interesting idea. Bh7 then voila
ManMachine: At this position I thins MC is happy for a draw..
Randall: yep it maybe possible at some time
arzberger: e3 d3 then comes Bd7!
jayestom: Kramnik will push though...time advantage and if he wins he joins the leader
filipmarko: ivann you are a wannabe russian.....
Malassise: 12 minutes for 12 moves
Randall: h
ivann: draw..
ivann: shut up Malassise
Celine: Wonder if Carlsen speculate on: the plan of sending the h-pawn down towards h8
ivann: u make me puke u knw
Destrudo: I dont understand the Re8 and Kf8 continuation. Surely it was better for black to try and use the g h files
ManMachine: if MC offer draw what will Kramnik answer!?
Randall: in your dreams
ivann: yes you...Rc7 then Qf3 is good for Kramnik
Zeblakob80: e4 d3 maybe followed by d3 and Re1+ RxR and BxN
ChessBomb: User ivann has been banned
tjallen: whoosh
Randall: bye Ivann
odaat45: banned lol
phmilet: manmachine> "I don't take draw offers from kids."
balibaloche: what about B x e2
stopaj22: carlsen's disadvantage is that he plays just with two pieces whereas kramniks all pieces are in game
odaat45: Be2?? Oe2
Bompi: looks like kramnik needs to play accurately now or magnus will get an advantage
Malassise: anyone else want Qd6! ?
hazza: stopaj what about taking carlsen's place and challenge kramnik?
dragin: Re6 also playable, no?
balibaloche: I forgot f3 after Re6
Zeblakob80: stopaj is rooting for anand, he MUST BE BANNED
dragin: nm, drops c pawn
captainslog: R6-e6 then maybe Qh5 looking at capturing c5 with check and exchanging bishops
randi: @Bompi i agree
krussedull: to me it looks like black have lots of play here
arzberger: rc7 is forced then Bf3 holds the pawn but black gets an initiative
odaat45: Nc5 after Re6 not f3
randi: the problem is the king
pushpin: Rxe4!?
stopaj22: i am just making a comment hazza isn't that right i didnt say i am chess genius
d_ahura: Qd6 looks like the best way to keep the Q side pawns. At the cost of the exchange though
Mortenius: if ...Rc7, is then Nb6 a possibility? With Ra8...
trentreznor: Perhaps there was no way of continuing attack along g/h files so Kramnik is relocating his forces
RoepStoep: Qd6! gives black -0.17 according to my rybka
Malassise: Qd6 it's totally iniciative for black
RoepStoep: That would be an awe3some move by Kramnik
Gatts: of course that you isn't stopaj
jayestom: white can't take on c6, bishop is only to block e2
Zeblakob80: RxB !!!
stopaj22: and you neither
stopaj22: gatts
jayestom: rxe4 is no good
tjallen: Pushpin - Re4 Qe4 Re6 and e2 falls
frogbert: shhh
frogbert: dont distract kramnik
Asdracles: Stop talking Rybka and talk about chess ideas!
d_ahura: Rxe4?! Qxe4 Re6 Qc2!
valmy: Why giving the exchange with Rxe4 would be any good?
Brumle: Qd6
rodrigol: Kramnik is calculating R x e4
vedantgoswami: True...ppl have stopped using their brains...
jayestom: bam
frogbert: ugh???
tjallen: ah yes, d_a
KDerek: ??
ManMachine: pawns rules!
Asdracles: unexpected but interesting, look at the white squares
Destrudo: Re6? Qc2 Rxe2 Qxc5 with huge advantage to white
trentreznor: gutsy move
ArcticStones3: c4. Oh, wow!
Brumle: easier breading now
Asdracles: Not easy to defend for a little boy
Malassise: =(
Cercatore: Qf5 with next moves like Nc5 and Nd7+?
Zeblakob80: c4 verry verry nice move .. a la Petrosian !!!
RoepStoep: draw with Bxc6
greenknight: that's his 2nd attempt to sacrifice the exchange!
siamesedream: Muzychuk is grilling Giri
filipmarko: hm
frogbert: petrosian with his king in the open and guts :o)
trentreznor: Giving up the exhange and K doesn't even have any passers!!
jayestom: black king is surprisingly hard to attack
RoepStoep: I really enjoy this game by the way!!!
arzberger: lol c4, is that really kramnik playing on the black side? ;)
BlunderSuck: c4=Shirov Poker move
Destrudo: again Kramnik offers the exchange. Psychologically it's hard to refuse this time; Kramnik is toying with him like a tiger with a mouse letting the mouse nibble on his ear before he eats him whole
KDerek: Maguns is a genious to set traps and problems for his adversaries..Gutsy move from Kramnik, but I think Magnus have an edge now.
siamesedream: Kramnik counts on time trouble
Zeblakob80: Kramnik begin playing like me ... lol ..
jayestom: I would guess that the computers don't see the full compensation for black
stopaj22: if carlsen accepts the rook kramnik will get this game and you will see my point about active and inactive pieces especially hezza
Bompi: I like Bf3
d_ahura: Bxc6 looks good due to the looseness of the bishop on c6 after Bxc6
Destrudo: awesome game - I think maybe game of the tournament so far
lukacsy: computers are ok, but here the search depth is very much limited, in d13-d15 Rybka says 0.00
filipmarko: Rybka 2 gives 0.63, Rybka 3 equal
hazza: true zebla! for a minute I thought it was you playing :P
Destrudo: Fritz gives +1.38
Protector: Seems like both players are in time trouble..
jayestom: one thing computers don't assess as well, is how many good moves a player has at any given time
greenknight: has to be tempting to take this, and potentially open up c5 for the knight. theres some variations that lead to a perpetual
BlunderSuck: Rybka 1 give -2.63
Pam: wow
rodrigol: only carlsen has time trouble
Malassise: i give 0.28
monbron: c4 is a brilliant poker move and probably a good chess move
RoepStoep: Rybka 5 gives +3.21
balibaloche: ?
jayestom: mine gives 0.6
filipmarko: with time trouble arising Carlsen shouldn't take it
Malassise: it's a really nice poker move monbron =)
siamesedream: Bf3 cmon
Stokkeland: World blitz champion, time trouble?! pffffffft
BlunderSuck: my boss give me my 4%
Destrudo: Bxc6 Bxc6 Nc5 Qd5 Qf3 Qxf3 exf3 - Magnus must see this
miketwyble: surely must take as compensation for black pawns
siamesedream: Naka also in time trouble
KDerek: Shredder 22 gives Mate in 23 for Carlsen
rodrigol: this isn't blitz...
siamesedream: If Kramnik wins today he will win it all
Bompi: magnus in trouble now
ManMachine: come on MC..take the rook!
siamesedream: it is poisoned Rook
RoepStoep: Dammit, these guys can play a good game of chess!
sabitsingson: take the rook and think later
hazza: 5 minutes
tjallen: If Kramnik wants him to take the rook, then maybe he shouldn't
noiq: maybe kramnik is bluffing
Bompi: never eat a rook that has just been touched by a russian who is known to visit the toilet a lot
odaat45: Carlsen needs to call Kramnik's bluff and take the rook
dyo: bluffing to eat carlsens time
RoepStoep: uhoh, Rybka seems to give black an advantage now after Bxc6, he should decline especially considering his clock
Hortensius: This kind of mistake Carlsen is gonna accept gratefully
MagnusCarlsberg: it doesn't matter who offers the rook; the choice is which next move is the best
siamesedream: relay problem?
RoepStoep: It finds Bf3 now as the only drawing move
sidiklikertenkele: shredder 23 gives mate in 22 for carlsen
Destrudo: Bompi: please. That's slanderous.
AgAmemnon: fine play by kramnik
filipmarko: relay problem
onionbud: ticktock
rodrigol: go kramnik!
Zeblakob80: The disccussion become hot in this room ...
onionbud: turnbase game 1st MC
KDerek: play on calrsen! screw his rook
ManMachine: has MC fallen to sleep!`?
siamesedream: expect moves-flood soon
Destrudo: Kramnik missed mates in those "toilet games" against Topalov. An "engine" simply would not miss that.
Bompi: Bf3 now is safe and good
jayestom: take it and work out his idea later :)
Cercatore: omg, only 3min for magnus!
BlunderSuck: Carslen caught DTTS
sidiklikertenkele: toilet games dont cover the "miised mate match"
filipmarko: relay problem
BlunderSuck: Dutch Time Trouble Syndrome
randi: lol
trentreznor: there is a delay between time here and there of course
Celine: The clock takes a bite of magnus's ear now, sadly :-(
wolkor: draw offer?
randi: minimal delay
sidiklikertenkele: increment?
vaughn: 0-1
Bompi: 11 moves in 3 mins will destroy this game
gewgaw: pawns seem as strong as in the botvinnik system
BlunderSuck: Huge delay...Shirov won Corus 2010
RoepStoep: He takes!
siamesedream: he took
tjallen: committment
siamesedream: so 0-1 ;)
Gatts: wow
Malassise: so innocent =)
gewgaw: 55 secs fot this position...he wont hold it
MagnusCarlsberg: ahhh, two minutes now
RoepStoep: add a couple of minutes to that, Chessbomb clocks are always behind
Benned: dont forget increments
luisrodg: and 30secs increment
Stokkeland: Carlsen will win !
ChessBomb: the clocks are rounded to the nearest minute
KDerek: go carlsen!!
ChessBomb: we don't receive seconds from corus, only minutes
ChessBomb: and there were no relay problems, btw
filipmarko: thx
Pam: Go Magnus Go Go Go!
sani: playing best moves
rat9836771834: yup 2 mins in magnus clock! saw on fritz online mode!
Gatts: http://chessbomb.com/o/corus-2010-a/09-Carlsen-Kramnik/
Zavinout: this is so lost for magnus... too little time
luisrodg: last time they played in London, carlsen won right?
siamesedream: Blitz time! Lets wait for the position after move 40
BlunderSuck: Qd2 and it is over ;o)
d_ahura: Qd2 now playable
DrTom: e4 !!!!!! hahahaha
luisrodg: didnt find Qd2
RobKing: isnt there a 30 second increment?
RoepStoep: e4 is good too
Benned: e4 is ok too
siamesedream: 1/2 expexted
vaughn: passed pawns
Benned: d3 only move now
siamesedream: +30 increment
Malassise: d3!
Asdracles: Dont keep thinking that Rybka numbers is absolute truth
d_ahura: e4 also decent, at least a draw I think
RoepStoep: hmm, on second thought, d3 looks nasty
rat9836771834: kramnik win then he will b in joint lead!
sabitsingson: draw
frogbert: no worries fans..30 second increment
frogbert: no worries fans..30 second increment
Destrudo: e4? Time trouble ?? That cant be correct
Brumle: kramnik win now?? lol
filipmarko: now finds Kramnik the d3 move
randi: white is completely uncoordinated
KDerek: kramnik fanboys gone wild..ehehehe..watch out
filipmarko: ?
sabitsingson: f4 coming
Zeblakob80: Who is rooting for Kramnik here??
BlunderSuck: no worries fans...MC just came to drink is magical juice
gewgaw: i bet kramnik didnt see e4
sani: ye f4
frogbert: f4 is no good after d3 kramnik will play it
vaughn: weeeeee
odaat45: Kramnik sees everything!!
captainslog: Qd1
Andastra: now carlsen is in trouble
greenknight: he's going to have to give some material back
Malassise: if he doesn't play Re1 he's in trouble
gewgaw: fantastic fight
Cercatore: magnus can't stop the paws :(
ManMachine: come on MC!
siamesedream: still 7 moves to play
trentreznor: Go Kramnik!!!
Stokkeland: qd2 looks human in this position
monbron: I guess qe3, that will be OK
odaat45: c'mon kramnik
sidiklikertenkele: carlsen should go to toilette
Destrudo: beautiful game form Kramnik. Look at his piece coordination. The bishops are like cannons keeping everything at bay
Malassise: Rxe4!
Levon: will the kid lose at last?
RoepStoep: I don't like where this is going
Malassise: yes
randi: nice game
rodrigol: Go Kramnik!
Bompi: kramnik is toast
siamesedream: did MC lose since his loss against Shirov in MTel 2009?
Zeblakob80: White sould win ...
greenknight: Re1 was way too computerish
lukacsy: why bishop?
Stokkeland: it will not be so beautiful when Kramnik loses Sean ! :)
sidiklikertenkele: why not?
Cercatore: Qa76
Cercatore: he has time?
vaughn: 0-1
dyo: 0-1?
Cercatore: really? :|
sabitsingson: no 1-0
zugzwang: @siamsdream: against kramnik in dortmund, two months after sofia
RoepStoep: no, clock's aren't right at chessbomb
Destrudo: Qa7+ and the king escapsae. Magnus must be panicking now. Bring out the time trouble trumpets. That Eval is material based. Kramnik has this in the bag
BlunderSuck: Kramnik playing second lines just forcing him to calculate
japz: 1-0
Zeblakob80: the score is 0.7 - 0.3
rocean: what happened?
Destrudo: Nb6?? Bb7 and black is winning
siamesedream: thanx zugzwang
Hortensius: This is ouch
RoepStoep: Crap, he blew it
vaughn: weeeeeeee
rodrigol: Go Kramnik!
Malassise: woooooo
trentreznor: Kramnik!!! how did he do it??
spektator: blunder
siamesedream: time trouble blunder 0-1
Destrudo: you can be sure Kramnik will fine this. Go Vlad go!
vaughn: hahhaahahah
sidiklikertenkele: 0-1
Pam: OMG Nooo
frogbert: wow that was fast of the world blitz ch:o)
trentreznor: Sean please make a vid on this one!
Stokkeland: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Shaigan31: 0-1
trentreznor: Sean please make a vid on this one!
frogbert: this is the end of the world as we know it
Levon: At last the kid loses!
Cercatore: no :|
Destrudo: 100% trent for sure!
vaughn: uraaaaaaaaaa
Bompi: Nb6 really sucked
RoepStoep: :'(
jayestom: Bd4 resigns
arzberger: good game kramnik! he will surely win this tournament
rodrigol: Kramnik!
BigAlex: qa7+ were easier
lukacsy: Mate in 3:)
gewgaw: mc still nr.1
Destrudo: awesome game from Kramnik
greenknight: kramnik decided to roll the time trouble dice and got a blunder
supotsky: was carlson in time pressure when this happend?
Goran: yes
Pam: :((
supotsky: ok
arzberger: ...c4 was a genius move
vaughn: i'm so glad that kramnik shut up all of u
BlondeQueen: noooo, the kid lost. well kramnik is in good form
AgAmemnon: nice win kramnik
Goran: pity, the position after exchange sacrifice was extremely interesting
Destrudo: what a game, surely the game of the round and the tournament
gewgaw: kramnik is over 28
siamesedream: nice revenge for London
Stokkeland: im in disbelief
gabbyjr: go go pam
Cercatore: i'm really sad... :(
noiq: 2012 was coming faster than we thought, bye all
Destrudo: Magnus will be crying. It's like Fischer Spassky 1960 w/ the infamous king's gambit
onionbud: tarrasch rule N at the edge
Pam: Im really sad too :'(
frogbert: lol noiq
KDerek: jesus, watta HUUGE BLUNDER!! THE NERVES GOT HIM..
Babarberousse: let's say Kramnik took a revenge for all of carlsen' s time-trouble victory
gewgaw: why did he play the catalan
spektator: Too bad he blundered in TT with a good position.
spektator: Too bad he blundered in TT with a good position.
spektator: Too bad he blundered in TT with a good position.
d_ahura: nice game by Kramnik. Carlsen appeared to be off balance from blacks 10. .. b5
Stokkeland: this is 1 video i will not enjoy watching on youtube
Destrudo: So Kramnik is tied for first after beaten Carlsen with the black pieces and he has easy opponents for the rest of the tournament, a safe bet to win!
arzberger: he choose the wrong opening. kramnik is an expert at the catalan...
frogbert: this was hardly opening related
P2kmil: caracas!! how this happened??
vaughn: small nuts for carlsen,he cracked up
Stokkeland: and naka is losing aswell
greenknight: carlsen had good chances during the game, if you play sharply, the occasional blunder is inevitable
KDerek: well, maguns is a fast learner..he will leanr from this loss and shape up his time management
Destrudo: Stokke: sorry to hear that, I am currently running the game through Fritz =0)
Goran: Kramnik was very aggressive, it looks like Carlsen didn't adjust for this
onionbud: Kramnik still has more challenging opponents for next 3 rounds
rat9836771834: who?
Goran: Kasparov will surely give him some valuable advice
siamesedream: Catalan wasn't best choice
Stokkeland: carlsen and naka both losing with white pieces, what a horrible day :(
Zeblakob80: c4 killed the game
tjallen: 13...gf6 surprised
schwam: many errors
siamesedream: Naka didnt lose yet
greenknight: it's obviously not an opening problem as 18 Rfd1 would have given white a seirous advantage
siamesedream: bad time management and poisoned Rook
spektator: Kramnik is playing Kermit the frog, George Bush and some retarded kid at the end of the tournament. He will take the Wijktory for sure.
Levon: Goran, the thing is that the kid has Kasparov to gine him advice, while the other players have mere humans
schwam: Kramn is the new leader
P2kmil: 33. Qb2 and all in control!
Levon: and this, Goran, is unfair
siamesedream: share leader
Goran: I mean some practical advice, on how to approach the game and rationaly manage the clock
vaughn: the thing is that kramnik beat kasparov too
Levon: yes, it is unfair to the other players
frogbert: and what does aronian have?
frogbert: nobody!!!!
frogbert: or sargissian?
Goran: Aronian works with Sargissian for years already
Levon: yes, him
Levon: can u compare Sargi withGarry?
Goran: it's not unfair, he can afford Kasparov
Goran: on the other hand, Armenians have huge support fromt he government
Levon: what would happen if Kramnik or Anand had Kasparov as a trainer?
vaughn: why a player needs kasparov to be the best
vaughn: ?
frogbert: they would get into a fight, probably
Levon: the kid would have no chance
vaughn: i don't get it,too much mistification
Levon: it is like one player has a computer and the other does not
nir: I think it is a good thing that Carlsen lost. In away he got so many wins, and I think this lost will bring him back to reality and show him that losing is not that bad and it is part of the game
Goran: Kasparov wouldn't help Anand as much as he can help Carlsen
schwam: much he paid to Kasparov?
frogbert: yes yoda
Goran: Anand is already experienced player
siamesedream: looks like Naka also loses
Levon: sure, this is my point, Goran: the kid receives much help while the others dont
Malassise: today is the day of the black wins
spektator: Cry on their behalf, then Levon.
Malassise: caruana, karjakin, kramnik...
Levon: so, let's switch places! Levon will take Kasparov and the kid will take Sargissian. What do u think?!
Goran: preparation-wise, I think Nielsen can help more than Kasparov
Levon: Kasparov knows everthying about the old generation to help the kid
Goran: but Kasparov helps him build winning attitude, and probably provides lots of practical advices
tjallen: Is Gary behind the times in the opening
siamesedream: and Nielsen is cheaper
zeitgeist: I'm not sure abt Kasparov. He is to self promoting.
siamesedream: it was Kasparov psychological effect which now evaporates
vaughn: look at robson's blunder,mate in 1
siamesedream: i saw it - was he in time troube?
vaughn: don't know
vaughn: probably
spektator: Levon and others are waaay overestimating the amount of influence from Kasparov. Countless times it has been said that the most help is psychological. To be young and go for the title requires confidence - Rybka is MCs best chess trainer by far ;-)
randi: a-rook never moved
tjallen: On 33 if MC had played Qd2 first, then e4 works.
siamesedream: Karjakin - Carlsen tomorro
Levon: anyone taking any kind of advice from Kasparov would profit to a level that is unfair to the others
siamesedream: unfair?? what are you talking about
tjallen: has-been from the previous generation? Good in his time... now past the age and irrelevant
tjallen: good chess marketing
vaughn: @levon:u're just weak to all the propaganda around u;aronian is an great player who doesn't need kasparov
Malassise: somebody said kramnik made 80+ games without losing, is this true ? if yes, from when to when ?
siamesedream: Naka's winning now;)
Shaun: good result ive got £10 on Kramnik to win at 5/1
jg: game is intresting
fizavava: thats good
Levon: Ok, I repeat then. Let's switch places: Levon will take Kasparov and the kid will take Sargissian. Ok? Fair?
siamesedream: why not?
Levon: uou cannot compare Kasparov to anyone else
Levon: he is the greatest player ever, so his help will be the best
vaughn: u're a lost cause,i give up
Levon: let's see the kids tomorrow: Karjakin - Carlsen
greenchile505: I would like to see Kasparov pull a Schumacher and come our of retirement.
greenchile505: "out"
shahjinan: Kasparov won't dare to do that... he is old and I doubted if he can contribute at the top ....Generation has been changed rapidly ...Computer era begin .... 5years before is way before in my point of view...
CotillionXY: so what happened here?
aktiv: any explanations for Carlsen's mistakes?
winedfc: ok